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Europe general 2017/18

Postby Holyjoe » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:59 am

Rangers.

Ha-fucking-hahahahahahahahaha.

Rangers knocked out of Europa League by Luxembourg part timers
July 4, 2017

Rangers suffered one of the worst results in their history as they were knocked out of the Europa League qualifiers by Luxembourg minnows Progres Niederkorn.

The Ibrox side took a 1-0 first-leg lead to Luxembourg but fell behind to a second-half Emmanuel Francoise finish.

Sebastien Thill sealed progress, scoring only the third European goal in the part-timers' history.

Niko Kranjcar, Josh Windass and Kenny Miller hit the woodwork for Rangers.

But the Ibrox men had failed to dominate the game the way they had in the first leg, ensuring their first foray into Europe for six years was short-lived.

Progres had never won a match in Europe going into Tuesday's second leg.

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Postby Rothesay Saint » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:49 am

It's brilliant. Just when you think Rangers have got back to a reasonable level, they show they still have the ability to make the rest of Scottish football piss themselves laughing at them. Not sure if this beats the time they blew a 2-0 lead against Alloa to lose 3-2, but it's up there.
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Postby eujin » Fri Jul 07, 2017 6:21 am

Is the UK leaving Europe or something?

11 UK and Gibraltar teams entered in the Europa League First Qualifying Round (including Rangers) and 11 UK and Gibraltar teams got knocked out in the Europa League First Qualifying Round.

That's actually quite impressive.

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Postby Rothesay Saint » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:28 am

Rule Britannia!

Don't worry, we have our big guns entering in the next round and Aberdeen and Celtic always sweep aside teams from Latvia, Slovakia, Czechia and Gibraltar.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37366835
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Postby daeguowl » Fri Jul 07, 2017 7:14 pm

eujin wrote:Is the UK leaving Europe or something?

11 UK and Gibraltar teams entered in the Europa League First Qualifying Round (including Rangers) and 11 UK and Gibraltar teams got knocked out in the Europa League First Qualifying Round.

That's actually quite impressive.


But those teams are from the parts that want to remain!

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Postby nzfooty » Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:53 am

Hope you guys are well. I miss the banter on this page: so I especially came back after he Rangers result.

Taiwan is a bit of a hole when it comes to football. I play Sunday league and one of the national players joins us to keep fit.

There are two states in Taiwan: alcoholism and workaholiism. I do very will at first, not sure about he work part.

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Postby eujin » Sun Jul 09, 2017 6:52 pm

nzfooty wrote:Hope you guys are well. I miss the banter on this page: so I especially came back after he Rangers result.

Taiwan is a bit of a hole when it comes to football. I play Sunday league and one of the national players joins us to keep fit.

There are two states in Taiwan: alcoholism and workaholiism. I do very will at first, not sure about he work part.

Welcome back, you've been missed. Do you think that Taiwan is ripe for football taking off, like in the mainland, or is it beyond help?

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Postby eujin » Sun Jul 16, 2017 6:02 pm

eujin wrote:Welcome back, you've been missed. Do you think that Taiwan is ripe for football taking off, like in the mainland, or is it beyond help?

Well that didn't really work. The idea was to get him to stick around. Maybe the "you've been missed" wasn't such a great idea. :smt010

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Postby Rothesay Saint » Sun Jul 16, 2017 10:10 pm

Don't worry, we're all just waiting for the next Scottish team to get knocked out so we can all laugh at them. When is the Aberdeen game?
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Postby MipoFanatic » Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:51 am

eujin wrote:
eujin wrote:Welcome back, you've been missed. Do you think that Taiwan is ripe for football taking off, like in the mainland, or is it beyond help?

Well that didn't really work. The idea was to get him to stick around. Maybe the "you've been missed" wasn't such a great idea. :smt010

Should have listened when the Krauts kept telling you to keep your hands to yourself. :smt117
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Postby eujin » Fri Jul 21, 2017 7:31 am

IFK Mariehamn from the Åland Islands won the Finnish league last year for the first time in their history. That would be the Finnish equivalent of a team from the Orkney Islands winning the Scottish Premiership. Their home ground in Mariehamn holds 1,635 people according to UEFA rules. 1,637 were officially on hand to see them play Legia Warsaw in this year's Champions League. They lost and then lost badly back in Warsaw, but at least they got to fly the flag.

The flag of Åland looks like this:
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While the flag of Orkney looks like this:
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Neither Åland nor Orkney have ever won the men's football tournament at the Island Games, although Åland have won the women's tournament three times. Island Games tournaments are not for the professional faint of heart, with five 90-minute matches to be played by the top teams in five days.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_ ... land_Games

Oh and Aberdeen won.

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Postby Holyjoe » Sat Jul 22, 2017 6:27 am

Thank goodness for Aberdeen upholding the honour and dignity of Scottish football on the European scene.

With St. Johnstone going out to some Lithuanian part-timers, The Rangers achieving the not inconsiderable feat of having notched up the same number of UEFA fines as European ties competed in, and Celtic managing to come out the other end of a tie against part-time Northern Irish opposition with 5 yellow cards, a suspended striker, a partial stadium closure and what must be something like their 273rd big UEFA fine for supporter fuckwittery then it's a relief to see at least one Scottish side going about things in a sensible fashion.

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Postby eujin » Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:07 pm

I hope people in the AFC and other confederations have noticed how the UEFA Champions League has ruined domestic competition in Europe.

It's well known how the likes of Juventus, Bayern, Real Madrid and Barcelona dominate their domestic leagues and also the Champions League. Juventus have won the last 6 Italian Serie A titles, Bayern the last 5 German Bundesliga titles and Barcelona and Real Madrid have split 13 of the last 15 Spanish seasons and the last four Champions League finals. But look a little further down to the current Champions League qualifying rounds and a similar picture plays out in the third tier countries.

APOEL: won the last five Cypriot championships
BATE Borisov: won the last 11 Belarusian championships
Celtic: won the last 121 Scottish championships
FC Copenhagen: won the last two Danish titles and 12 of the last 15
Legia Warsaw: won the last two and four out of the last five Polish championships
Ludogorets Razgrad: won the last five Bulgarian championships
Rosenborg: won the last two Norwegian championships, second the two times before and won 13 in a row 1992-2004.
Salzburg: won the last three Austrian championships and seven out of the last ten

None of those sides have a chance of winning the Champions League and not much chance of getting through the group stage, They would be unlikely to be invited to a European super league if one ever formed. But just by occasionally getting into the group stages of the Champions League, they are earning huge amounts of money from a share of the TV rights and using this money to obliterate the domestic competition, without ever being able to make a real mark in continental competition.

AFC beware.

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Postby Rothesay Saint » Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:04 am

I don't think you can entirely blame the Champions league, you get spells like that in football. A quick flick through the Wikipedia pages of the various countries shows -

Ludogorets may have won the last five Bulgarian titles but Levksi and CSKA Sofia have split the vast majority of the previous 70 titles between them; AC Omonia won 12 of the 15 titles in Cyprus from the 1970s through to mid 80s, Górnik Zabrze won 7 from 9 in the 1960s in Poland and post war danish football was dominated by AB, AGF, KB and OB (they don't waste letters on their teams in Denmark).

Nice to see someone still rates Scotland football as high as a third tier footballing country though. :)
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Postby eujin » Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:24 am

Rothesay Saint wrote:I don't think you can entirely blame the Champions league, you get spells like that in football.

Getting to the playoff round before the group stage nets you at least 3 million euros in UEFA prize money alone. That is serious money, even in expensive countries like Denmark. You have to go back 10 years in Denmark to find a season where FCK weren't either first or second. There has never been a period of domination like that in the history of Danish football. In places like Bulgaria or Belarus that UCL money goes a very long way if it stays in the club. BATE and Ludogorets only need to win two ties to get that far. If they manage to get to the group stage the guaranteed income is five times that. Other teams in their domestic leagues have literally no chance to compete with this unless some crazy sugar daddy showers them with money.

I haven't run the hard numbers, but I bet the number of teams doing the double is going up right across Europe and the number of teams winning four of five titles in a row is going up too. For example, since the Bundesliga started in 1953, there have been 14 doubles in Germany. Only three of those were before 2000 and it's happened four times in the last five years. The longest period of league domination by one team is the one we are in right now. Teams have won three in a row in the past, but never four and now we are on five with basically no one predicting a change this year. The Bundesliga is such a foregone conclusion these days that Bayern's competitive season is practically only four or five matches long, around the quarter-finals and semi-finals of the Champions League.

The trophies are getting focussed into ever fewer hands. Back in the 1970's and 1980's you had teams from Greece, Sweden, Belgium, Romania getting to the European Cup final. You had well-behaved teams like Nottingham Forest, Borussia Mönchengladbach, Saint Etienne, Aston Villa and Hamburg having their fun in the final and then disappearing again into relative obscurity. Today they still might get home crowds of 30 or 40,000 and dominate their local media, but one or two good seasons in the European Cup did not propel them to dominate a generation like it would today.


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