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Re: Scottish football 2015/16

Postby SteveW » Sat Jul 18, 2015 12:14 am

After last night was quietly confident of making the play-off round as we were seeded in the draw but we've pulled some mega-bucks Kazakh mob out the hat and I have a feeling we might get pumped now.

This trophy is a joke - 4 ties just to get into the damn group stages.
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Re: Scottish football 2015/16

Postby Rothesay Saint » Sat Jul 18, 2015 2:02 pm

SteveW wrote:After last night was quietly confident of making the play-off round as we were seeded in the draw but we've pulled some mega-bucks Kazakh mob out the hat and I have a feeling we might get pumped now.

This trophy is a joke - 4 ties just to get into the damn group stages.


FC Kairat, formerly owned by the National Railway and proud winners of the 1971 European Railworks Cup, when Kairat beat FC Rapid Bucharest 2–1.

I've been on wikipedia.

Wonder if there was an Asian Railworks Cup? :smt117
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Re: Scottish football 2015/16

Postby nzfooty » Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:32 pm

SteveW wrote:After last night was quietly confident of making the play-off round as we were seeded in the draw but we've pulled some mega-bucks Kazakh mob out the hat and I have a feeling we might get pumped now.

This trophy is a joke - 4 ties just to get into the damn group stages.


Agree that this tournament is far too big. I actually liked the old Cup Winners Cup. You great diversity of clubs qualifying for it, even from associations where leagues tended to be dominated by only two or three clubs. But maybe that made it somewhat unglamorous?

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Re: Scottish football 2015/16

Postby SteveW » Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:41 pm

Last season Aberdeen put out 2 sides and then gave a top Spanish team a run for their money. It wasn't too long ago they qualified out of the group stages to face Bayern (who they drew at home with). They've also won the ECWC and Super Cup in their history.

ICT have never played in Europe.

Guess which one was seeded higher in the competition and got to start a round later?
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Re: Scottish football 2015/16

Postby eujin » Mon Jul 20, 2015 5:14 pm

SteveW wrote:Last season Aberdeen put out 2 sides and then gave a top Spanish team a run for their money. It wasn't too long ago they qualified out of the group stages to face Bayern (who they drew at home with). They've also won the ECWC and Super Cup in their history.

ICT have never played in Europe.

Guess which one was seeded higher in the competition and got to start a round later?

The one that won the cup?

Botosani finished eight in the Romanian league but still got in because all the clubs above them failed to get UEFA licences.

Go Ahead Eagles of the Netherlands were relegated from the Dutch first division but still got in thanks to some very odd fair-play system. If you're going to go down, you might as well go down in style. It's a shame they didn't go deeper into the tournament as they're quite close to me.

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Re: Scottish football 2015/16

Postby Holyjoe » Fri Jul 24, 2015 7:38 pm

After a wee scare last night Aberdeen came back from 2-0 down to draw 2-2 and beat Rijeka 5-2 on aggregate. Now it's off to play Kazakhstan mob Kairat Almaty in the next round, some of you in Korea could probably look out your window and almost wave to them when they're kicking off such is the distance they'll have travelled.

Changed days in European and indeed world football these days, but I saw this tweet regarding Aberdeen's current Euro campaign and their 1982/83 ECWC winning season:

Trip to Almaty for Aberdeen will take them up to 16932 miles for the campaign. They clocked 632 miles less when winning the Cup Winners Cup


They won the ECWC in nine matches, to qualify for the group stages of the Europa League alone they'll have played eight games.

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Re: Scottish football 2015/16

Postby nzfooty » Sat Jul 25, 2015 1:45 pm

Right, basically a stone throw away from China.
Kazakhstan is one massive country and Almaty is near the eastern border.
Almaty to Oral (in the western part of the country) is 2113 km (and about 2300 km to the most extreme western point which is just located in Europe)

That's more than Aberdeen to Ukraine (1900 km to Lviv, 2250 to Kiev) while Aberdeen to Moscow is 2419 km (and 1893 km to St Petersburg) in Russia.

Holyjoe wrote:After a wee scare last night Aberdeen came back from 2-0 down to draw 2-2 and beat Rijeka 5-2 on aggregate. Now it's off to play Kazakhstan mob Kairat Almaty in the next round, some of you in Korea could probably look out your window and almost wave to them when they're kicking off such is the distance they'll have travelled.

Changed days in European and indeed world football these days, but I saw this tweet regarding Aberdeen's current Euro campaign and their 1982/83 ECWC winning season:

Trip to Almaty for Aberdeen will take them up to 16932 miles for the campaign. They clocked 632 miles less when winning the Cup Winners Cup


They won the ECWC in nine matches, to qualify for the group stages of the Europa League alone they'll have played eight games.

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Re: Scottish football 2015/16

Postby Suwonesque » Mon Jul 27, 2015 6:40 pm

Kairat was the most popular club during Soviet years and early years of independence. But after few issues at the management level and with the financial dificulties the club relegated to the first division from Premier league a few years ago. But now, looks like the club is back on the track again. They are tied at the top of the league with Aktobe. Almaty is the biggest city in Kazakhstan, and former capital. So, naturally Kairat was, might be still is the best supported team. But i think Aktobe and Astana may be slightly better supported than them now in terms of fanbase.

Just like in Korea, all these clubs are financially supported by local government and mayor's office. Mayor pushes local oil companies to sponsor the club, and companies may get tax benefits in return. Still, major part of club expense is paid by local budget as average fan base of best supported clubs is around 10,000 and tickets dont cover all the expenses.

Tv deal is virtually non-existent as in Korea. But recently the state owned KazSPORT channel was launched just to support & broadcast national sports events. So, we hope there will be a progress in TV deal, as now many of the matches are now live on TV. No kazakh club reached to group stages of uefa europa league or champions league, though every year i see some advance in achievement as they get past the qualifying rounds and reach to play-off. Shakhtyor Karagandy and Aktobe a few years ago were one goal away from group stages.

Astana FC is heavily sponsored club by central government as they want to create a model club (Part of President's multi-sports club). But as global oil price is dropped, they dont wanna pay astronomical figures to lure the foreign players. The best they can bring is eastern Europeans or Russians who are little old or couldnt make to the big European clubs. There are few imports from other Central Asian countries as Kazakhstan is the most advanced among 5 Central Asian republics. (Mostly Uzbek players) Now lots of talk is going on youth development. Dozens of kids were sent to Brazil for soccer schools and some of them now are playing well local league, representing Kazakhstan at National level. One of the kid who went to Brazil signed with Atletico Muneiro, so there is a progress, but slow. We used to get beaten by likes of England, Turkey, Portugal by 5-0 or 6-0 on each Uefa/world.cup qualifying games, but now we are getting beaten by 1 or 2 goals difference. If we dont allow a goal, that is considered as an achievement. I remember one time we had a clean sheet against England at Wembley before half time, and conceded 5 after the half-time. So, we always talked about how we achieved clean sheet at Wembley before half-time, in front of their supporters. That was some achievement on those days.

Coming back to Kairat, I only know 3 of them very well. Captain Baurzhan Islamkhan was considered as a Kazakh version of Iniesta/Xavi once. He is a fine footballer and still young. Had a trial at Russian premier league, but couldnt make any appearance. Zhambyl Kokeev is a national team member, also a fine footballer. And you all may know
Anatoliy Timoshchuk who played for Bayern and Shakhtar on his prime years.


I don't know how strong Aberdeen is, but few years ago Shakhtyor Karagandy gave a good game against Celtic, so you would find Kairat as strong as Shakhtyor Karagandy were at that time.

Regarding how vast the country is, I can create another topic and answer there.
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Re: Scottish football 2015/16

Postby Suwonesque » Mon Jul 27, 2015 7:42 pm

Interesting fact. Stuart Duff played for FC Kairat for two years. And he is from Aberdeen and currently playing for a small club there :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Duff

And apparently he is the first high-profile Scottish player to play in Kazakhstan according to below link. Didn't know Stuart Duff was a so high profile-player back in Scotland.

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football ... Kazakhstan
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Re: Scottish football 2015/16

Postby eujin » Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:06 pm

Thanks Suwonesque, that is very interesting.

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Re: Scottish football 2015/16

Postby SteveW » Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:35 pm

Stuart Duff lived up to his surname most of the time he played in Scotland. 'High profile' is probably stretching reality to breaking point. He could walk down the street without being recognised by anyone I'm sure. I would give you the name of a Korean equivalent but if I knew his name he'd be more high profile than Stuart Duff! :)
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Re: Scottish football 2015/16

Postby Suwonesque » Wed Jul 29, 2015 1:15 am

League's top scorer Gerard Gohou is out of Aberdeen's game because of injury. He definitely won't be featuring in both legs of this tie, so that should be good news for Aberdeen fans.
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Re: Scottish football 2015/16

Postby SteveW » Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:16 pm

Suwonesque wrote:League's top scorer Gerard Gohou is out of Aberdeen's game because of injury. He definitely won't be featuring in both legs of this tie, so that should be good news for Aberdeen fans.


That is good news. He was the one I was worried about. Out for both legs is a big boost.
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Re: Scottish football 2015/16

Postby Suwonesque » Wed Jul 29, 2015 8:42 pm

Looks like FC Kairat's chairman Kairat Boranbayev is very ambitious this year. Want to reach at least group stages of Europa league. They brought best players from the other teams and bringing Tymoschuk may also help him. They are not sponsored by Railway anymore.

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Re: Scottish football 2015/16

Postby Suwonesque » Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:48 am

2-1. Islamkhan's goal was fantastic one. The tie is not over for both teams. Little disappointing result for Kairat after how they played, but very entertaining match for neutrals.
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