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2018 World Cup qualification

Postby nzfooty » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:42 pm

The 2014 World Cup qualification thread can be found here.
The finals thread can be found here.

Perhaps it is a bit early to start this but while the WC fever lives on (and I can't find that valium tonight)...

The distribution of places in the final tournament has not been decided (that will probably happen in early 2015). However,
some things about the qualifiers can already be said.

Asia - the preliminary round of qualifiers will also double as qualifiers for the 2019 AFC Asian Cup. A thread about this tournament can be found here.

Oceania (OFC) - Will start on 8 June 2015. The 2016 OFC Nations Cup will also double as the qualifiers.

Unlike Asia (and unlike Oceania in the qualifiers for 2014) the fusion will go all the way i.e. the winner of the Nations Cup
will also be the team that will represent Oceania in the intercontinental play-offs.

Last time Tahiti surprisingly won the OFC Nations Cup and went to the Confederations Cup while New Zealand ended up being the team representing
Oceania in the intercontinental play-offs. The Confederations Cup would've served as useful prep for the Mexico matches in the play-offs.
This time the team at the Confederations Cup will also be the team in the intercontinental play-offs.

South America (CONMEBOL) - will start after 2015 Copa America is over (11 June–4 July 2015). Again, all teams will play in a single group. Brazil
will be joining them. It will be interesting to see how they will cope with a number of teams who have improved a lot in recent years.

CONCACAF - likely to start mid 2015

UEFA - after EURO 2016

CAF - likely to start mid 2015

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Re: 2018 World Cup qualification

Postby nzfooty » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:43 pm

How places were distributed for the 2014 edition:

* Europe (UEFA) - 13 places
* Asia (AFC) - 4 guaranteed places + 1 place in play-off
* Africa (CAF) - 5 places
* North America, Central America and the Caribbean (CONCACAF) - 3 guaranteed places + 1 place in play-off
* South America (CONMEBOL) - 4 guaranteed places + 1 place in play-off + Brazil qualified as host nation
* Oceania (OFC) - 1 place in play-off

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Re: 2018 World Cup qualification

Postby nzfooty » Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:29 am

They still haven't decided the place allocation but the qualifiers are moving ahead...

CONCACAF - First Round

The first round of CONCACAF matches for 2018 FIFA World Cup qualification will be played from 23 to 31 March 2015

A total of 14 teams (teams ranked 22–35 in the CONCACAF entrant list) will play home-and-away over two legs. The seven winners will advance to the second round.

Bahamas v Bermuda
British Virgin Islands v Dominica
Barbados v U.S. Virgin Islands
Saint Kitts and Nevis v Turks and Caicos Islands
Nicaragua v Anguilla
Belize v Cayman Islands
Curaçao v Montserrat

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Re: 2018 World Cup qualification

Postby OttoSilver » Tue Mar 17, 2015 4:43 pm

Putting people in a cage and burning them alive is one thing, but when you interfere with a football match then you piss me off. Yea, I know you are not from THAT Muslim group, but it's close enough to suit my purposes. :smt093
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Re: 2018 World Cup qualification

Postby eujin » Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:40 am

OttoSilver wrote:Putting people in a cage and burning them alive is one thing, but when you interfere with a football match then you piss me off. Yea, I know you are not from THAT Muslim group, but it's close enough to suit my purposes. :smt093

They're going to play the match in Bahrain now. Neither country is judged safe for international football as the first leg was played in Qatar instead of Yemen. It does appear like the world is going to shit, but when Croatia played Serbia in the Davis Cup recently, they apparently got a very warm welcome from the home fans, so there's some hope that sport can eventually help bring people back together.

I was visiting the Rose Bowl stadium in Pasadena recently, venue of the 1994 World Cup Final. They've hosted a big American football game (the Rose Bowl) there every year since 1916, except in 1942, because large crowd gatherings on the US West Coast were shut down due to fears of Japanese attacks. Even the Japanese move on eventually (or so I've heard).

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Re: 2018 World Cup qualification

Postby nzfooty » Sat Apr 04, 2015 12:08 am

The draw for the business end of the qualifiers will take place on 25 July 2015 in St. Petersburg.

Recent results:

CONCACAF - First Round

Bahamas 0–5, 0–3 Bermuda
British Virgin Islands 2–3, 0–0 Dominica
Barbados 0–1, 4–0 U.S. Virgin Islands
Saint Kitts and Nevis 6–2, 6–2 Turks and Caicos Islands
Nicaragua 5–0, 3–0 Anguilla
Belize 0–0, 1–1 Cayman Islands (Belize won on the goals away rule)
Curaçao 2–1, 2–2 Montserrat


Second Round

Some semi-serious nations entering at this stage.... All matches home and away and
to be played between June 8 and June 16.

Saint Vincent and the Grenadines v Guyana
Antigua and Barbuda v Saint Lucia
Puerto Rico v Grenada
Dominica v Canada
Dominican Republic v Belize
Guatemala v Bermuda
Aruba v Barbados
Saint Kitts and Nevis v El Salvador
Curaçao v Cuba
Nicaragua v Suriname

Asia

Pakistan 0–0 Yemen
Yemen through....
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3341&start=15

South America

10 team home-and-away round-robin. Starts 5–13 October 2015.

Oceania

First round: American Samoa, Cook Islands, Samoa, and Tonga will play a round-robin tournament at a single venue. The winner will advance to the second round.
To be played 31 August – 8 September 2015.

Africa

Starts 5–13 October 2015

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Re: 2018 World Cup qualification

Postby nzfooty » Sun Jun 21, 2015 4:36 pm

Same distribution for 2018 (bar the hosts of course i.e. Europe 13+1 hosts (Russia))

nzfooty wrote:How places were distributed for the 2014 edition:

* Europe (UEFA) - 13 places
* Asia (AFC) - 4 guaranteed places + 1 place in play-off
* Africa (CAF) - 5 places
* North America, Central America and the Caribbean (CONCACAF) - 3 guaranteed places + 1 place in play-off
* South America (CONMEBOL) - 4 guaranteed places + 1 place in play-off + Brazil qualified as host nation
* Oceania (OFC) - 1 place in play-off

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Re: 2018 World Cup qualification

Postby nzfooty » Sun Jun 21, 2015 4:54 pm

CONCACAF - Second Round
** - qualified for third round

7- 6-15 Managua // Nicaragua 1-0 Surinam
16- 6-15 Paramaribo // Surinam 1-3 Nicaragua**

10- 6-15 Kingstown // St.Vincent/G. 2-2 Guyana
14- 6-15 Georgetown // Guyana 4-4 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines**

10- 6-15 North Sound // Antigua/Barb. 1-3 Saint Lucia
14- 6-15 N. South (Atg.) // Saint Lucia 1-4 Antigua and Barbuda**
(Still 1-1 at 85')

10- 6-15 Oranjestad // Aruba 0-2 Barbados
14- 6-15 Bridgetown // Barbados** 1-0 Aruba

10- 6-15 Willemstad // Curaçao 0-0 Cuba
14- 6-15 La Habana // Cuba 1-1 Curaçao**

11- 6-15 Santo Domingo // Dominican R. 1-2 Belize
14- 6-15 Belmopan // Belize** 3-0 Dominican Republic

11- 6-15 Roseau // Dominica 0-2 Canada
16- 6-15 Toronto // Canada** 4-0 Dominica

11- 6-15 Basseterre // St. Kitts/N. 2-2 El Salvador
16- 6-15 San Salvador // El Salvador** 4-1 Saint Kitts and Nevis

12- 6-15 Cd. Guatemala // Guatemala 0-0 Bermuda
15- 6-15 North Shore V. // Bermuda 0-1 Guatemala**

12- 6-15 Bayamón // Puerto Rico 1-0 Grenada
16- 6-15 Saint George's // Grenada** 2-0 Puerto Rico


Third Round

Home-and-away.
Matches are scheduled to be played from 31 August to 8 September 2015.

Teams:
Jamaica
Haiti
Canada
El Salvador
Guatemala
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Grenada
Antigua and Barbuda
Belize
Barbados
Nicaragua
Curaçao

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Re: 2018 World Cup qualification

Postby eujin » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:11 pm

Saw something on the BBC just now that I couldn't really believe, but turns out to be true anyway.

Wales are one of the first seeds for the UEFA World Cup draw, alongside the likes of Germany and Spain. Meanwhile, Italy and France, being officially worse than Wales, are in the second pot. Now someone on here will know better than me, but haven't Wales recently been seeded in the bottom pot with the likes of San Marino and Andorra? Last to first in record time. That has to be a record, if it ever has actually happened before.

Please, please, please can you Jim'll fix it for them to draw Wales in Denmark's group. :smt109

EDIT: Even the Germans are a bit non-plussed; Wales profitiert vom Zahlen-Irrsinn and it takes something to get Germans complaining about rules.

Ireland are in pot 4! Magic. Go FIFA.

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Re: 2018 World Cup qualification

Postby nzfooty » Sat Jul 25, 2015 5:34 pm

Some teams have been doing a New Zealand in the World Cup qualifiers.

10- 6-15 Oranjestad // Aruba 0-2 Barbados
14- 6-15 Bridgetown // Barbados** 1-0 Aruba


Second match awarded 0-3 to Aruba - Barbados used suspended player.

eujin wrote:Saw something on the BBC just now that I couldn't really believe, but turns out to be true anyway.

Wales are one of the first seeds for the UEFA World Cup draw, alongside the likes of Germany and Spain. Meanwhile, Italy and France, being officially worse than Wales, are in the second pot. Now someone on here will know better than me, but haven't Wales recently been seeded in the bottom pot with the likes of San Marino and Andorra? Last to first in record time. That has to be a record, if it ever has actually happened before.

Please, please, please can you Jim'll fix it for them to draw Wales in Denmark's group. :smt109

EDIT: Even the Germans are a bit non-plussed; Wales profitiert vom Zahlen-Irrsinn and it takes something to get Germans complaining about rules.

Ireland are in pot 4! Magic. Go FIFA.


Yeah, the Germans are somewhat concerned about this group coming into existence:

Möglich ist nun etwa eine Gruppe mit Deutschland und Italien/Frankreich, dazu vielleicht noch Polen und Irland.
[...]
Nur der Erstplatzierte ist direkt für das Turnier 2018 qualifiziert, acht von neun Zweitplatzierten dürfen immerhin in die Relegation.


Given their form since the World Cup (esp. the 1 point they picked up from matches against Poland and Ireland in autumn) that is understandable concern.

Die Schwächen des Systems werden schnell klar. Beträgt ein Faktor null, lautet auch der Wert null - soll heißen: Die höhere Gewichtung eines WM-Spiels bringt nichts, wenn dieses Spiel verloren geht. Für Wales und Rumänien erweist es sich gerade als Vorteil, in den letzten vier Jahren an keinem Turnier teilgenommen zu haben - so hat man dort wenigstens nicht verloren.


Qualifying for final tournaments but losing matches there actually can put you at a disadvantage c.f. Wales who have been on a good run without playing against too many big teams - but playing enough matches where a win maintains a good average .

Here is a good explanation of the problems (in English):

World Cup seeding: How to play the game

[...]If the Netherlands were to play one of the teams outside the Fifa top 150 in a friendly match, like Indonesia, they would get only a tiny amount of points - just 139.5 for a win.

Of course it makes no sense for the Netherlands to play a game against a team like Indonesia, as whatever happens it will bring down their average number of Fifa points per game. You would have to be completely mad to do something like that in World Cup year, when the points have the most value.

Unfortunately for the orange hordes of Dutch fans, that is exactly what their team did in June 2013.

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Re: 2018 World Cup qualification

Postby nzfooty » Sun Jul 26, 2015 10:56 am

FIFA World Cup Qualifying Group F

1. England
2. Slovakia
3. Scotland
4. Slovenia
5. Lithuania
6. Malta

Group winner qualifies for Russia 2018

Runner-up advances to home and away playoff

UEFA Draw:

Group A: Netherlands, France, Sweden, Bulgaria, Belarus, Luxembourg

Group B: Portugal, Switzerland, Hungary, Faroe Islands, Latvia, Andorra

Group C: Germany, Czech Republic, NORTHERN IRELAND, Norway, Azerbaijan, San Marino

Group D: WALES, Austria, Serbia, Republic of Ireland, Moldova, Georgia,

Group E: Romania, Denmark, Poland, Montenegro, Armenia, Kazakhstan

Group F: As above.

Group G: Spain, Italy, Albania, Israel, Macedonia, Liechtenstein

Group H: Belgium, Bosnia-Hercegovina, Greece, Estonia, Cyprus

Group I : Croatia, Iceland, Ukraine, Turkey, Finland


eujin wrote:
Ireland are in pot 4! Magic. Go FIFA.


The bookies have made Ireland's group the tightest. At 6.00 no other 4th placed team comes close (Montenegro are 2nd at 10.00).

eujin, you must be pleased with Denmark's group? I'd make Denmark my favourites even though bet365 have Poland on 2.87 (c.f.
Denamrk's 3.00 and Romania's 3.50)

UEFA's weird decision that the big 6 nations (ENG-NED-GER-FRA-SPA-ITA) have to be in a group of 6 teams (rather than of 5 teams)
means that Italy ended up with Spain rather than being placed in group I. (Though that said, it will be easier to finish in top-2 in Spain's
group.)
Netherlands can't be too happy either about being paired with France.

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Re: 2018 World Cup qualification

Postby eujin » Sun Jul 26, 2015 12:58 pm

nzfooty wrote:eujin, you must be pleased with Denmark's group? I'd make Denmark my favourites even though bet365 have Poland on 2.87 (c.f.
Denamrk's 3.00 and Romania's 3.50)
Yeah, it's good not to get one of the teams that "has to be at the World Cup" from pot 1. With the exception of matches against Armenia, Denmark will probably be slight favourites, which is not something that suits them though. A few teams in the group can blow hot and cold so we'll have to see what type of teams Romania, Poland and Montenegro end up fielding. The Danish FA is complaining that it's going to be an expensive group because no one is going to turn up for the home matches and they have a long way to travel for away games :roll: .

Ireland did very well despite being in pot 4. Iceland will be disappointed they didn't get an easier path.

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Re: 2018 World Cup qualification

Postby SteveW » Sun Jul 26, 2015 1:50 pm

I'm liking that Scotland draw. Tough teams but guys we don't play often if at all. Lots of good away trips too. No Eastern European hellholes. Hopefully we keep our decent form going and make a good fist of it. Could do with finding Joomes a Scottish granny.
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Re: 2018 World Cup qualification

Postby nzfooty » Mon Aug 31, 2015 2:55 pm

Qualifiers resume in Asia and CONCACAF later in the week.

Canada have two matches against Belize and if they can overcome this opponent they will qualify for group stages where Mexico and Honduras await.

Africa and South America will be making a start in October. Oceania's started today.

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Re: 2018 World Cup qualification

Postby nzfooty » Wed Sep 09, 2015 7:57 pm

CONCACAF - Third Round
** - qualified for fourth round

Curaçao 0–1 0–1 El Salvador**
Canada ** 3–0 1–1 Belize
Grenada 1–3 0–3 Haiti**
Jamaica** 2–3 2–0 Nicaragua
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines** 2–0 1–2 Aruba
Antigua and Barbuda 1–0 0–2 Guatemala**

2015 CONCACAF Gold Cup runners up, Jamaica where close to being knocked out by lowly Nicaragua. After losing 2-3 at home, Jamaica got the required 2-0 in with a minute left in the match.
Antigua and Barbuda were also close to an upset but not quite.

CONCACAF Fourth Round

Group A

Mexico
Honduras
El Salvador
Canada

Hard looking group for our Canadian friends.

Group B

Costa Rica
Panama
Haiti
Jamaica

This one looks very even.

Group C

United States
Trinidad and Tobago
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Guatemala

The US should easily get out of this one. Btw, they got trashed 4-1 by Brazil today. Aren't people there getting tired of Jürgen Klinsmann?

Top-2 in each group qualify for the final round of qualifiers (referred to as 'The Hex')


South American qualifiers start next month.

Africa
also kicks-off.

Oceania's second round however is ages away (May 2016).


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