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Re: Oceania News

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 10:09 pm
by eujin
Chris Rattue wrote:NZF CEO Andy Martin maintained the Pacific Games Council had confirmed the New Zealand players' eligibility before the tournament. A FIFA/Oceania stamp of approval, definitely. One from the Olympic Games committee, maybe. But the Pacific Games Council, whoever the hell they are? Crazy.

It makes me wonder whether NZF was trying to pull a fast one, sneaking a player into the Olympics believing no one would check. NZF statements have waffled on about appealing the process used to throw the Oly Whites out. But it has not pointed to one single eligibility clause in its defence.

You may know some of the people involved personally nzfooty, but it's hard for me to believe that anyone at the NZF would jeopardise an almost guaranteed Olympic spot by fielding a player they knew was ineligible. Maybe I'm naive, but it looks like a simple mistake from the New Zealanders, deriving from the fact that the rules are not straightforward and counter-intuitive and the guy had already played at full international and u20 level.

I remember a similar thing happened to Denmark with the 1988 Olympics qualification. A 2-0 away win over Poland was overturned to a 2-0 defeat after Per Frimann was found to have played too many matches for the full national team and those lost points cost Denmark the spot in Seoul. The General Secretary of the Danish FA was fired for the blunder (after 30 years in the job), but if you look at the players that played that qualification tournament, it's the core of the team that went on to win the European Championship in 1992, so maybe there will also be a silver lining for NZ in the future.

Re: Oceania News

Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 11:06 am
by nzfooty
I remember that qualification group - I was in West Germany at the time and the Germans were in that group as well.

With regards to the NZF, this speculation arises from the fact that they knew what they were doing with Andrew Durante (an Australian who after 5 years of playing for the Wellington Phoenix ended up playing for New Zealand). But you are right, you'd think no one would be daft enough to jeopardise a straightforward looking qualification path by deliberately fielding Deklan Wynne.

Re: Oceania News

Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2015 5:29 pm
by nzfooty
This has to be one of the weirdest tournaments I can recall:

Pacific Games medals

Semi-finals: Tahiti 2–1 Papua New Guinea // New Caledonia 2–1 Fiji
Bronze medal match: Papua New Guinea 2–1 Fiji
Gold medal match: Tahiti 0–2 New Caledonia


Olympic Play-offs
Fiji 3–1 Papua New Guinea
New Zealand 0-3 Vanuatu (Awarded)
NZ won 2-0 but had fielded an ineligible player, Deklan Wynne. Match awarded 3-0 to Vanuatu
Final
Fiji 0–0 Vanuatu (pen 4-3)
Fiji qualified for 2016 Summer Olympics.

Re: Oceania News

Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:42 pm
by changwonmatty
New Caledonia representing I see.....as for Fiji, its not over yet.

Re: Oceania News

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 7:13 am
by nzfooty
changwonmatty wrote:New Caledonia representing I see.....as for Fiji, its not over yet.


yeah, interesting to see how well New Caledonia and Tahiti have done and it is unfortunate they were not eligible for Olympic spots.

As for Fiji, the OFC have hired Mai Chen of Chen & Palmer (Palmer as in the former PM), the top public and administrative law specialists in NZ
to represent them in the dispute with NZF. The OFC are going for absolute kill. It appears the NZF will argue Article 6 should have applied. There
is no way it could've and the only reason they have hired lawyers is no mask the extend to which they have fucked up. There has been bad blood
between NZF and the OFC for long time and NZF have looked in a condescending way at the OFC for a long time. This is going to be a kick in the
goolies of epic proportions. The OFC will put NZF in its place. It is amazing how New Zealand football administrators manage to combine cluelessness
and arrogance so smoothly.

Re: Oceania News

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 7:59 am
by changwonmatty
Politically Fiji and the kiwis dont get on very well either so I am sure there is a bit of government support behind this as well.

Re: Oceania News

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 5:24 pm
by eujin
I agree with nzfooty. There's no way NZ are getting anything useful out of this. They're just throwing good money away on lawyers. They broke the rules and the rules have always been harsh on teams that field inelligible players, see the above Denmark example and countless others. If I were Fiji I'd happily be booking my hotel in Brazil now.

Re: Oceania News

Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2015 9:54 am
by nzfooty
The bad news from Saint Petersburg is that Oceania was drawn to play South America in the intercontinental World Cup playoffs.
I hope New Zealand stop fielding ineligible players and at least win the Nations Cup - qualification for the Confederations Cup in 2017 is probably as close as they will be getting to Russia.

2016 OFC Nations Cup
(doubles as Round 2 of FIFA World Cup qualification)

28 May – 12 June 2016, hosts TBD
Group A: Tahiti, New Caledonia, Papua New Guinea, Winner round 1*
Group B: New Zealand, Solomon Islands, Fiji, Vanuatu
Top-2 qualify for the semis of the Oceania Nations Cup
Top-3 qualify for Round 3 of FIFA World Cup qualification

* one of American Samoa, Cook Islands, Samoa, Tonga (host) - September 2015

Re: Oceania News

Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 2:42 pm
by nzfooty
World Cup qualifiers have started in Oceania (doubling as the 2016 OFC Nations Cup qualifiers).

Winner of this four team tournament (played in Tonga) will qualify for the OFC finals. Things were quite tight in the 2014 qualifiers (with American Samoa showing great improvement to finish above the Cook Islands).

Round 1
Tonga 0 - 3 Cook Islands - bit surprised to see the hosts lose heavily, probably the best result Cook Island have recorded in their history
Samoa 3 - 2 American Samoa - Samoa raced into a 3-0 lead but had to dig deep with 10 men as American Samoa managed to get into the game

Cook Islands defeat Tonga to claim historic World Cup qualifying victory (The Guardian)

Sep 2
Cook Islands v Samoa
Tonga v American Samoa

Sep 4
Cook Islands v American Samoa
Samoa v Tonga

2016 OFC Nations Cup
(doubles as Round 2 of FIFA World Cup qualification)

28 May – 12 June 2016, hosts TBD
Group A: Tahiti, New Caledonia, Papua New Guinea, Winner round 1*
Group B: New Zealand, Solomon Islands, Fiji, Vanuatu
Top-2 qualify for the semis of the Oceania Nations Cup
Top-3 qualify for Round 3 of FIFA World Cup qualification

* one of American Samoa, Cook Islands, Samoa, Tonga (host) - September 2015

Re: Oceania News

Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 11:27 pm
by eujin

Woohoo. I have a Cook Islands' replica shirt somewhere. That makes me a fan. :smt117

Re: Oceania News

Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 11:41 pm
by nzfooty
eujin wrote:

Woohoo. I have a Cook Islands' replica shirt somewhere. That makes me a fan. :smt117


First World Cup win according to that article...
Well, yes and no. In the 2010 World Cup qualifiers they defeated Tuvalu 4-1. However, Tuvalu were not eligible for qualification (the first round of qualifiers doubled as the South Pacific Games, hence why nonFIFA member Tuvalu were present). Still, a great achievement.

Btw as you probably know, Cook Islands nationals possess New Zealand citizenship -- many of their players play in New Zealand (and a few in Australia).

Re: Oceania News

Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 2:19 pm
by nzfooty
eujin wrote:

Woohoo. I have a Cook Islands' replica shirt somewhere. That makes me a fan. :smt117


All they have to do is avoid a loss to American Samoa today and they will go through.

Round 2
Cook Islands 1 - 0 Samoa
Tonga 1 - 2 American Samoa
Round 3
Tonga 0 - 3 Samoa
American Samoa v Cook Islands

Code: Select all

Cook Isl 2   2  0  0  4- 0  +4  6
Samoa    3   2  0  1  6- 3  +3  6
Am Samoa 2   1  0  1  4- 4   0  3
Tonga    3   0  0  3  1- 8  -7  0

Re: Oceania News

Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 2:27 pm
by nzfooty
...and they lost 2-0 to American Samoa! :(
Too bad, and too bad that American Samoa themselves won't be benefiting from this win.

Final standings:

Code: Select all

SAMOA    3   2  0  1  6- 3  +3  6
Am Samoa 3   2  0  1  6- 4  +2  6
Cook Isl 3   2  0  1  4- 2  +2  6
Tonga    3   0  0  3  1- 8  -7  0


2016 OFC Nations Cup
(doubles as Round 2 of FIFA World Cup qualification)

28 May – 12 June 2016, hosts TBD
Group A: Tahiti, New Caledonia, Papua New Guinea, Samoa
Group B: New Zealand, Solomon Islands, Fiji, Vanuatu
Top-2 qualify for the semis of the Oceania Nations Cup
Top-3 qualify for Round 3 of FIFA World Cup qualification