Scottish Football 2012-13

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Re: Scottish Football 2012-13

Postby Holyjoe » Sun May 05, 2013 8:15 pm

Hearts could well be the next club to go the way of Rangers, or perhaps Dunfermline, as their main creditors Ukio Bankas have been declared bankrupt and there's apparently a very real chance that a £15m debt to that bank could be called in, something which would more than likely end up with Hearts heading into administration. After the whole Rangers thing this time last year the rules on points deductions for going into administration have changed - it was a standard ten point deduction, but now it's been changed to something like 1/3 of your current points tally or 1/3 of your points tally from the previous season. Anyway, if Hearts were to go into administration before the end of this season then they'll end up being deducted something in the region of eighteen points which would more than likely relegate them unless they win all their remaining games and Dundee don't. I read somewhere though that if they survive to the end of the season but go into administration during the summer or during next season then any additional points they pick up this year could come back to bite them in the arse as that would only increase the amount they are deducted next season. Perhaps beating St. Mirren 3-0 yesterday was a bit of a mistake? It's madness.

On Dunfermline, they would have finished comfortably in sixth place in the First Division had they not gone into administration during the season and been deducted fifteen points. They lost 2-1 at home to already-relegated Airdrie yesterday whilst Cowdenbeath won 3-1 away at Hamilton, a combination which meant Dunfermline finished second-bottom and now face the relegation playoffs. They take on Forfar over two legs and will then have to beat the winner of Brechin v Alloa over two legs to avoid dropping from the SPL to Division 2 in consecutive seasons. That would definitely kill the club off.

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Re: Scottish Football 2012-13

Postby Rothesay Saint » Mon May 06, 2013 8:07 pm

Hearts probably did try to lose the game, but the run of form St. Mirren are on at the moment would have made it easier for them to win. Its a bit embarrassing that we had to rely on a bunch of sheepshaggers led by an ex-soapdoger to draw with Dundee and finally officially relegate them and keep Saints up for another season. I only say that because St. Mirren are now a big team with the bulging trophy cabinet to prove it. :-)

It's a real shame what's happening for Dunfermline, but maybe it'll allow them to get a couple more home games and keep the cash flow coming in for a couple more weeks. Would hate to see a team like that go out of business.

Still enough of the doom and gloom. Michael Higdon became the first non Old-firm player to win Scotland's player of the year since 1990. He's banged in a load of goals this season for Motherwell. Good to see him celebrating in style by going to a nightclub and getting into a fight after the awards ceremony as well. Never mind that he's English, get him in the Scotland squad.

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Postby Holyjoe » Wed May 08, 2013 7:59 pm

We're getting league reconstruction of sorts after all - a single governing body, better financial distribution, a pyramid system below the fourth tier and a relegation playoff in the SPL, thereby increasing Aberdeen's chances of getting relegated next season. Hurrah. Unless we can tempt Fergie back now, that is.

I'm not quite sure how the pyramid structure will work out but I've read suggestions it'll involve the Highland League and a newly-formed Lowland League (made up of a number of East of Scotland League, South of Scotland League and select Junior sides) which would then feed down to the existing Junior set-up. A lot of Junior sides have simply no interest in being part of a pyramid, or at least making preparations for league football were they to be in a position to move up to league football. I suspect that what will happen is that we'll end up with three or four Highland/Lowland sides trading places with the likes of East Stirling, Annan and Elgin on a cyclical basis. When Rangers 2 go to the wall then rather than getting a Mk III side off the ground and applying for membership of Division 3 they may well be forced to seek to join up with the West of Scotland Junior Central District Second Division and claw their way up from there. Could be tough times getting back into league football for Hearts and Dunfermline if they're going that way too :wink:

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Re: Scottish Football 2012-13

Postby sjc_three » Sun May 12, 2013 10:56 am

It's amazing the lengths some teams will go to to get a crack at Rangers next season. Contender for game of the season? I would've loved to have been at that one!

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Re: Scottish Football 2012-13

Postby Holyjoe » Fri May 17, 2013 8:12 pm

So Dundee have been relegated... or have they?

Hearts relegation fate to be decided on Monday following UBIG insolvency
17 May 2013

Hearts will find out on Monday if they face relegation from the SPL following the insolvency of its parent company.

UBIG, Vladimir Romanov’s holding company that owns 79% of the shares in the club, was declared insolvent in Lithuania on Thursday.

It is believed the Scottish Premier League’s lawyers are currently examining their own rules over "insolvency events" – occasions when a club or its parent company get into financial problems.

Findings from the league's lawyers will be presented to an SPL board meeting on Monday, at which the club's fate will be determined.

It is understood the SPL is unlikely to view UBIG's declaration as an insolvency event before it is confirmed by the Lithuanian courts although it is still consulting with its lawyers over Thursday's announcement.

With the official end of the SPL season coming after the games on Sunday, that means Hearts could be safe from the threat of a points deduction - and relegation - if UBIG does not have an administrator appointed before then.

The league is also still consulting with legal experts to determine whether UBIG does fall under its rules as a "group undertaking" of Hearts.

Hearts will argue that they have existed without funding from the parent company since February 2012 – proving they are not reliant on UBIG for survival.

If it is determined that Hearts or UBIG have suffered an insolvency event after Sunday's matches, a deduction of 15 points will be enforced for the SPL season 2013/14.


Dundee are potentially looking at two consecutive seasons in the top flight, neither of which were achieved through footballing merit (promoted to replace a liquidated club for 2012/13, relegation reversed by a points deduction to a rival ahead of 2013/14). That's got to be some sort of record.

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Re: Scottish Football 2012-13

Postby Holyjoe » Fri May 17, 2013 8:50 pm

Apparently it's not some sort of record (well, in a top flight it might be) - Airdrie United were promoted to the First Division for the 2008/09 season because Gretna went into administration and were dumped down to the third division, and then they would have been relegated from that division in 2009/10 but for the same thing happening to Livingston. They went and got relegated that season, however the death of Rangers saw them promoted for 2012/13 when they hadn't achieved it on merit.

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Re: Scottish Football 2012-13

Postby Rothesay Saint » Sat May 18, 2013 8:21 am

From a purely selfish point of view I'd like to see Hearts stagger on for a few days before going in to administration during the close season. A weakened team with a big points deduction as relegation rivals is always good news for St Mirren.

Hearts obviously look like they are stuffed but hopefully they find some way to hang on to the stadium. For me Tynecastle is the best stadium in Scotland. The atmosphere is always good, perfect size, location, lot of history. Be a very sad loss if it ends up as housing.

One of the things I keep seeing in the press about Hearts and Dunfermline is how you could see this coming, which is fair enough. What about Kilmarnock though? Everyone has seen financial meltdown coming for them for years and they are still mid table in the SPL.
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Re: Scottish Football 2012-13

Postby Holyjoe » Sat May 18, 2013 8:04 pm

Agree about Tynecastle, it's a fantastic stadium. A bit too maroon for my liking but it's great all the same. I wonder what they'd do if they lost the stadium, Meadowbank stadium is set to get bulldozed and I don't think they'd be able to take up permanent residency at Murrayfield. Groundshare at Easter Road? That'd be fun.

Kilmarnock is a good point, I was reading a thread on Pie and Bovril earlier where someone pointed out that Kilmarnock have been in the top flight for twenty years now. That's incredible, only Celtic, Hearts, Aberdeen and Motherwell have been there longer and of course the latter two have both finished bottom of the league at some point but have avoided playoffs or relegation for one reason or another. Presumably the Rugby Park hotel is now actually producing money for the club, although why the hell folk would actually want to go and stay in Kilmarnock overnight I don't know...

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Re: Scottish Football 2012-13

Postby SteveW » Sun May 19, 2013 2:03 pm

Rothesay Saint wrote:
SteveW wrote:
Rothesay Saint wrote:Below that it's the same as usual for underachieving Aberdeen and Hibs, who both shouldn't be as bad as last year, but probably will be mid-table at best.


On paper, I should be optimistic at a fairly strong looking Aberdeen squad.

Adding a hopefully fit Anderson, Hayes and McGinn has definitely strengthened the side, as has getting rid of Mackie.

Brown, Jack, Anderson, Considine, Naysmith, Rae, Hughes, Milson, McGinn, Hayes, Vernon. That's a strong XI

Unfortunately it never pans out that way.


There is always a feeling Aberdeen are going to do better, but that was their third ninth place finish in a row last year. Maybe this is the year that all the other SPL clubs have finally sunk to Aberdeen's level though. :-)

And at least there will be more room in the dressing room this year without Darren Mackie's books cluttering up the place.

Going to try and ignore Rangers as much as possible, but there is a huge difference between going down one level like Juve and Hertha, and the third division of Scottish football. Rangers have a core of SPL level players and will romp that league.


See my optimism wasn't misplaced! We've romped up from 9th to 8th this season.

Looks like Rangers will be providing the close-season entertainment once again this summer - if @charlottefakes is anything to go by.
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Re: Scottish Football 2012-13

Postby eujin » Fri May 24, 2013 7:09 pm

Beware of Scots

(or alternatively, beware of anything in the Huffington Post. Choose your poison.)

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Re: Scottish Football 2012-13

Postby Holyjoe » Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:40 am

Presumably the "different football environment" refers to the whole new Rangers being old Rangers when it works in their favour thing... shouldn't they "revert" to Clydebank though?

Airdrie United to revert to old Airdrieonians name
June 3 2013

Airdrie United will revert to their traditional name of Airdrieonians when the fixture lists appear for the new Division Two season.

The club announced the decision on their website and say they have been given clearance by the Scottish FA and Scottish Football League.

Airdrie United was adopted after the old club went into liquidation in 2002.

They continued in the SFL after a buy-out of ailing rivals Clydebank and continued to play at Excelsior Stadium.

Chairman Jim Ballantyne, who has been in charge since the new club was formed, explained on the club website how reverting back to the original name was possible.

"When the old company went into liquidation, it was in a different football environment and the use of the name was not possible at that time," he said.

"With all the recent changes, however, and subsequent rulings, it paved the way for us to make the move and therefore we set the wheels in motion.

"It was actually raised at a fans' meeting a few months ago, but we could not give too much away as there was still much work to be done.

"However, with the support of last year's club sponsors, E & A Heating Ltd, we were able to progress matters to a conclusion and formal SFA clearance was finally granted at the recent meeting of the professional game board."

The club, who were relegated from Division One this season, say the Airdrieonians name will be adopted from 1 June.


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