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Re: 2014 World Cup qualification

Postby daeguowl » Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:59 am

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Holyjoe wrote: Barring a major upset in either then who could we say is the biggest 'surprise' qualifier at this tournament? There are no real unusual participants in the NZ/NK mould as in 2010, I suppose Bosnia being there for their first ever tournament is something different but at 16th in the FIFA rankings then it's hardly a surprise.


Bosnia is as close as we going to get to an unusual participant - not a weak team as you point out but good to see a team making a debut. Of the teams that have qualified most have played at the 2010 WC. There is also a sizeable group that last participated in 2006. To only exceptions I can see are Russia and Belgium (2002), Colombia (1998) and Bosnia.

Perhaps some European teams were unlucky with the group draw and/or the play-offs arrangements because of the way things have been set-up and the over-reliance on FIFA rankings there really probably is little between them. Perhaps the likes of Switzerland, Croatia and Greece got a little lucky... but its hard to argue that there is a huge difference between them and the likes of Sweden & Denmark.

Qualifiers:

Algeria, Cameroon, Ghana, Ivory Coast, Nigeria.

Australia, Iran, Japan, South Korea.

Belgium, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Croatia, England, Germany, Greece, Italy, Netherlands, Russia, Switzerland, Spain, France, Portugal.

Costa Rica, Honduras, United States.

Argentina, Brazil (hosts), Colombia, Ecuador, Chile.

Plus

Uruguay or Jordan

Plus

Mexico or New Zealand


If only Cape Verde hadnt screwed up their admin and Panama had held out against the USA.

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Re: 2014 World Cup qualification

Postby Rothesay Saint » Wed Nov 20, 2013 11:23 am

Disappointing that there are no proper minnows in there. Zlatan is not too impressed by the world cup line up either.

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Re: 2014 World Cup qualification

Postby nzfooty » Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:35 pm

2014 FIFA World Cup Group stage Draws Simulator

Would have to say if that draw happened for real it would be great as it would make a mockery of FIFA's rankings and their over-reliance on them when seeding teams.

Gr A: Brazil, Honduras, France, Nethderlands
Gr B: Spain, Mexico*, Ecuador, Italy
Gr C: Germany, South Korea, Algeria, England
Gr D: Colombia, Iran, Ghana, Portugal
Gr E: Argentina, Australia, Ivory Coast, Greece
Gr F: Switzerland, USA, Nigeria, Croatia
Gr G: Uruguay*, Costa Rica, Cameroon, Russia
Gr H: Belgium, Japan, Chile, Bosnia-Herzegovina

Here is how they got the pots.

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Re: 2014 World Cup qualification

Postby nzfooty » Wed Nov 20, 2013 6:43 pm

New Zealand 2-4 Mexico
Tom Lutz had some fun at our expense and it was looking ugly for a while in the first half. However a mini-comeback late in the second half made it 2-3, before a late Mexico goal (NZ also missed a penalty earlier on in the match).

I guess that means the weight is now on Jordan's shoulders in terms of ensuring that the 2014 WC has at least one underdog. :scratch:

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Re: 2014 World Cup qualification

Postby nzfooty » Thu Nov 21, 2013 11:12 am

Qualifiers are finally over, with Uruguay being held to a 0-0 draw by Jordan in Montevideo. All the damage was done in the first leg though where Uruguay won 5-0.
Still, a minor surprise:
Uruguay 0-0 Jordan

Qualifiers:
CAF
Algeria, Cameroon, Ghana, Ivory Coast, Nigeria.
AFC
Australia, Iran, Japan, South Korea.
UEFA
Belgium, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Croatia, England, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, Netherlands, Portugal, Russia, Spain, Switzerland.
CONCACAF
Costa Rica, Honduras, Mexico, United States.
CONMEBOL
Argentina, Brazil (hosts), Colombia, Chile, Ecuador, Uruguay.
OFC
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The 2014 WC Finals thread can be foundhere.

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Re: 2014 World Cup qualification

Postby daeguowl » Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:24 pm

And the ineligible player issues raises its head again. FIFA have two weeks to decide if Burkina Faso should repace Algeria.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/25060833

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Re: 2014 World Cup qualification

Postby Spatula City » Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:58 pm

daeguowl wrote:And the ineligible player issues raises its head again. FIFA have two weeks to decide if Burkina Faso should repace Algeria.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/25060833

Burkina Faso would be a new face, though the possibility of a group that includes France and Algeria is tantalizing as well.

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Re: 2014 World Cup qualification

Postby Holyjoe » Sat Nov 23, 2013 6:59 pm

Pretty open and shut case I would have thought, particularly as they've already sanctioned teams for fielding players who hadn't completed suspensions during the group stages. The fact it involves an ex Rangers player as well is all the more reason to hand Burkina Faso a 3-0 default win as well.

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Re: 2014 World Cup qualification

Postby Holyjoe » Sat Nov 23, 2013 7:07 pm

Actually maybe not as open-and-shut as it appears, having looked up the playoff first leg match on the FIFA site there's no record of him having been yellow carded! You'd have thought the Burkina Faso FA would have checked that out?

He was booked in the second leg right enough but that wouldn't have ruled him out of that match. Clutching at straws here then?

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Re: 2014 World Cup qualification

Postby daeguowl » Sat Nov 23, 2013 7:19 pm

Holyjoe wrote:Actually maybe not as open-and-shut as it appears, having looked up the playoff first leg match on the FIFA site there's no record of him having been yellow carded! You'd have thought the Burkina Faso FA would have checked that out?

He was booked in the second leg right enough but that wouldn't have ruled him out of that match. Clutching at straws here then?


I reckon it's more likely that the FIFA site is wrong! Hope Algeria werent relying on it to keep track of their suspensions!

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Re: 2014 World Cup qualification

Postby nzfooty » Wed Nov 27, 2013 8:50 am

Holyjoe wrote:Actually maybe not as open-and-shut as it appears, having looked up the playoff first leg match on the FIFA site there's no record of him having been yellow carded! You'd have thought the Burkina Faso FA would have checked that out?

He was booked in the second leg right enough but that wouldn't have ruled him out of that match. Clutching at straws here then?


Yup:
2014 World Cup: Fifa rejects Burkina Faso appeal

However, Sangare's main complaint was that Bougherra had been booked against Mali in the group phase and Burkina Faso in the first leg - yet football's world governing body found no such evidence.

"With regards to the protest lodged by Burkina Faso in relation to the eligibility of Algerian player Bougherra, Fifa communicated to the Burkina Faso Football Federation that the formal conditions to lodge a protest were not met," said a Fifa spokesperson.


But:

While Algeria will fully expect to be part of the World Cup draw in the state of Bahia on 6 December, Fifa added that investigations into the 19 November clash are still continuing.

"Aside from this matter, please note we are still in the process of analysing the different match officials' reports and gathering information," said the spokesperson.

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Re: 2014 World Cup qualification

Postby nzfooty » Wed Nov 27, 2013 12:07 pm

A wise move given the maulings their respective representatives received in the intercontinental play-offs.
However, any complaints coming from the Americans on this subject would be completely understandable.

AFC, Oceania in talks over combining World Cup slots

By Patrick Johnston

The Asian and Oceania football confederations have opened discussions about combining World Cup slots to improve their qualification chances at future tournaments, AFC President Sheikh Salman said.
Both regions suffered heavy defeats in the intercontinental playoffs for the 2014 World Cup last week with Oceania champions New Zealand thrashed 9-3 over two legs by Mexico, while the AFC's Jordan were beaten 5-0 on aggregate by Uruguay.
Asia currently has four automatic qualifying berths for the World Cup, with the fifth-placed team going into an intercontinental playoff, while Oceania has no automatic spot and the champions must also go through a playoff.
Australia made the move to the AFC in 2006, which increased Asia's World Cup places to four and a half, and AFC President Sheikh Salman bin Ibrahim Al-Khalifa was open to incorporating the half slot from the OFC in some way.
"We had the Australians in but I think we should look at how we can combine our slots together," the Bahraini told reporters on the sidelines of the AFC Awards in Malaysia when asked if he wanted New Zealand to join the AFC.
"This is something that we are discussing with Oceania and hopefully there will be something on how those legs are to be played. Because geographically we are much closer."
New Zealand were Oceania's last representatives at a World Cup when they qualified by beating Sheikh Salman's Bahrain in a two legged playoff for the 2010 finals in South Africa.
That 1-0 aggregate success made New Zealand just the fourth OFC side to play at a World Cup after their first appearance in 1982 and Australia in 1974 and 2006.
Any possible move would require approval from FIFA, who conducted a draw to see which confederations would face off for the final places in Brazil 2014 with the AFC drawing CONMEBOL and OFC against CONCACAF.

'FOR THE FUTURE'
The world governing body's president Sepp Blatter, who sat alongside Sheikh Salman and OFC president David Chung at the awards, suggested earlier this month he wanted the playoff system scrapped which appears to support the AFC-OFC move.
The 77-year-old Swiss has also said recently he wanted more World Cup places for Asia and Africa.
Sheikh Salman, who also hinted at revamping the World Cup qualifying format in Asia, said they had plenty of time to discuss any possible slot shifts with the 11 nation OFC.
"This is a decision that should be taken by FIFA as well about the half slot, but we will wait, we have time, but this is something that we should look at for the future," he said.
"So far this is just in the beginning stages. I think we need to look at the two continents as a whole, not just by inviting ... because what is going to be left from Oceania."
Earlier this month, Jordanian Football Association president Prince Ali bin Al Hussein had voiced his reservations about playing a South American side even before his team's 5-0 first leg home defeat by Uruguay.
"It's a bit unfortunate," he had said. "The natural issue, for example, would be for the Asian fifth place to play the half slot from Oceania and CONCACAF to play CONMEBOL but it is opposite.
"It is tiring, and within less than a week and you are crossing huge time zones so I don't know, I think we have to rethink that issue." (Editing by Peter Rutherford)

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Re: 2014 World Cup qualification

Postby nzfooty » Sat Nov 30, 2013 10:31 am

NZ Football: NZF supports play-off pathway discussions‏

New Zealand Football board chairman Frank van Hattum said on Thursday his
organisation is supportive of discussions taking place between the Asian
Football Confederation and Oceania Football regarding their respective FIFA
World Cup playoff spots.

Earlier this month, Jordan (AFC) was beaten by Uruguay (CONMEBOL) while the
All Whites' (OFC) were defeated by Mexico (CONCACAF) on the road to the 2014
FIFA World Cup in Brazil.

van Hattum says New Zealand Football has been involved in talks with Oceania
Football on the playoff pathway for several years and is supportive of the
on-going discussions between OFC and AFC around the qualification process
for the FIFA World Cup.

"We certainly see merit in the winner of the Oceania section of qualifying
joining the Asian Confederation playoff structure in some way," van Hattum
said.

"It is an Oceania Football-led initiative with David Chung [OFC President]
and Tai Nicholas [General Secretary] heading discussions and we are
supportive of their good work."

"We see that a pathway through Asia would be good for the Oceania winner as
it could open up a high quality match schedule while also being a better fit
for nations in both confederations in terms of the geography and logistics
of any playoff structure leading to a World Cup place."

Any change in the qualification process for future tournaments would be
required to be ratified by FIFA.


Here is a path someone from a NZ footy mailing list suggested:

Phase 1 57 nations

OCEANIA (11 members)

Nation with highest ranking receives bye into Phase 2
Remaining ten nations play round-robin in two groups of five (could be part of South Pacific Games)
Top two from each group progress to semi-finals or final group
Top three qualify for Phase 2


ASIA (46 members)

16 nations with highest ranking receive bye into Phase 2
Remaining 30 nations play round-robin in either ten groups of three or five groups of six
Ten of these 30 nations qualify for Phase 2


Phase 2 30 nations as follows:
1 Highest ranked Oceania nation
3 Qualifiers from Oceania Phase 1
16 Highest ranked Asian nations
10 Qualifiers from Asian Phase 1

Round-robin played in five groups of six

Five group winners qualify for World Cup Finals

--OR Alternatively--

Top two from each group progress to Phase 3


Phase 3 10 nations (winners and runners-up from Phase 2 groups)

Round-robin played in two groups of five
Winners and runners-up in each group qualify for World Cup Finals
Third-placed teams play each other home and away to decide fifth qualifer for World Cup Finals


Of course there are other configurations that could be used but I like the overall concept. It would allow four OFC nations to gain experience against Asian teams, while increasing by one the number of Asian teams that make Phase 2. I'd love to see Fiji v Iran or Malaysia v New Caledonia or Tahiti v India.

Cost may be an issue.

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Re: 2014 World Cup qualification

Postby njs » Sat Nov 30, 2013 6:04 pm

I've thought NZ needs to go that way for ages. People seemed happy for us to play next to no meaningful games for years just for the possible chance at winning a playoff to go to the WC.

When surely you're better off playing several competitive matches and try and get in that way. NZ has ZERO proper international fixtures in between WC's aside from the return leg in the last two WC playoff games.

Getting to play at least 4 proper home games in front of decent crowds is far more preferable and then if you are actually a decent team you should qualify based on being good over a period of time rather than the disgraceful, non existent, rushed build up we had to get our arse handed to us by Mexico.

Since Aussie left Oceania it's made it collapse and all of Oceania would be better off having 3 or 4 teams get a pathway into some regular higher quality football. Oceania will never really produce any world class teams but they could at least improve and have something to aim for.
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Re: 2014 World Cup qualification

Postby nzfooty » Sun Dec 01, 2013 8:08 pm

njs wrote:I've thought NZ needs to go that way for ages....


Yes, that would make perfect sense. I suggested we should also try to join in the Asian Nations Cup fun but not everyone agrees with that one.

It is nice in concept to say that we will get more, meaningful matches by playing in Asia, and it is true, but the reality is that we would usually be playing a second string XI in those games. Australia has found that they cant get their overseas based players released for many Asian Cup qualifiers and they have struggled. Their player depth is far greater than ours. I think we would find ourselves n the same position. That would result in us struggling to qualify i think.


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