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Most outrageous World Cup incident

1934, final venue
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1950, withdrawls
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1954, final, West Germany vs Hungary
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1962, battle of Santiago, Chile vs Italy
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1966, Foreign office and DPRK
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1966, Rattin and the European stitch-up
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1966, Russian linesman and some people on the pitch
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1970, Bobby Moore
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1978, Willie Johnston
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1978, Argentina vs Peru
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1982, West Germany vs Austria
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1982, Schumacher on Battiston
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1986, Hand of God
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1990, final
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1994, Maradona on ephedrine
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1998, final, Ronaldo
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2002, ROK in the semis
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2006, Charlie Dempsey
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2006, Zidane on Materazzi
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Most outrageous World Cup incident

Postby eujin » Wed Jun 09, 2010 5:14 am

If anyone wants evidence that football is a corrupt game with fighting, diving and drug abuse, here's a least one example from each tournament. Some are a bit of a stretch. The poll will only allow 20 options so I had to cut it down a bit.

1930, FIFA change qualifying rules No European teams had agreed to travel to the World Cup by the time FIFA's deadline for accepting had passed, so FIFA changed the rules and extended the deadline. In the end, FIFA managed to find only four European teams willing to make the journey. The Romanians allegedly had their entire team selected by the Romanian King.
1934, final venue Like the Nazis for the 1936 Berlin Olympics, Italian fascist dictator Mussolini used the 1934 tournament as a propaganda tool. The Italians stopped at nothing to win. During their quarter-final replay with Spain, three Spanish players had to leave the field due to injuries inflicted by the Italians. The final was played at the delightfully named National Stadium of the Fascist Party. The stadium was demolished after the war, unlike the Olympic Stadium in Berlin, which complete with Nazi statues, was used for the 2006 final.
1938, Italian salute Against hosts France in the quarter-finals the Italians played in their change strip of black shirts, the same colour as Mussolini's fascist mobs. During the introductions, the Italian players were told by Mussolini to hold the fascist salute until the booing, mainly by exiled Italians, died down. Allegedly, the Hungarians let the Italians win the final, believing that Mussolini would've executed them otherwise.
1950, withdrawls Although qualifying, Scotland decided that if they couldn't be British Champions there was no point in being World Champions. Turkey also withdrew, meaning that Group 4 consisted of a single game between Bolivia and eventual winners Uruguay.
1954, battle of Berne, Hungarv vs Brazil The anticipated quarter-final between two very good sides descended into farce with three sendings off after mulitple punch-ups. The Brazilian fans invaded the pitch and the fighting continued afterwards in the dressing rooms. The ref, by the way, was English.
1954, final, West Germany vs Hungary Some dodgey refereeing decisions and rumours of German cheating. Puskas claimed afterwards that the Germans had been doped, most of the German team mysteriously feel ill after the game and in 2004 an attendant at the Wankdorf stadium claimed that he had found syringes in the German dressing room after the game. The German team doctor subsequently admitted injecting the players, "but only with vitamin C, to help their nerves".
1958, FIFA change qualifying rules Israel qualified automatically for the finals in Sweden after all the teams they were drawn to play against withdrew. FIFA then hurriedly changed the rules and made them play already eliminated Wales, saying that a team couldn't qualify without playing a game, despite the fact that similar things had happened earlier with, for example, the Dutch East indies in 1938. Wales won the playoff and went to their only World Cup appearance.
1962, battle of Santiago, Chile vs Italy More sendings off, broken noses, punches, spitting etc. The police had to come on and drag off Giorgio Ferrini after he refused to leave the pitch on being sent off by yet another English referee. TV anchor David Coleman called it "the most stupid, appalling, dissgusting and disgraceful exhibition of football, possibly in the history of the game."
1966, trophy stolen The World Cup came to football's birthplace for the first time and the trophy was promptly stolen. The trophy was eventually found by the dog Pickles. The old Jules Rimet trophy was again stolen in 1983 in Rio and has not been seen since.
1966, Foreign Office and DPRK The United Kingdom did not recognise the DPRK at the time and the British Foreign Office didn't want to change this by recognising their football team. The British threatened to deny the Koreans visas, delayed granting them visas, had commemorative stamps changed for displaying the DPRK flag and much to the annoyance of the Koreans insisted on calling them "North Korea" instead of the DPRK. They also refused to play their national anthem, managing a deal with FIFA where anthems would only be played at the opening game (not involving the DPRK) and the final. As most of us know from the 2010 qualifying, FIFA takes a different view when the shoe is on the other foot.
1966, Rattin and the European stitch-up The South Americans were convinced that the Europeans rigged the 1966 finals to stop a South American team winning again. Pele was repeatedly fouled by Morais in Brazil's group game with Portugal and eventually had to be carried off but (yet another) English referee took no action. The English organisers told the Argentinian and Uruguayan representatives the wrong starting time for the meeting that would decide the referees for the quarter-finals and they turned up late, missing the decision. It ended up with a German referee for England's game with Argentina and an English ref for West Germany's game with Uruguay. The English ref sent two Uruguayans off in their game against West Germany. In the England - Argentina game, Argentinian captain Rattin was sent off while supposedly indicating to the ref that he was the captain and wanted a translator to complain about excessive English fouling. Rattin refused to leave the pitch and had to be escorted away by the police. England coach Alf Ramsey stopped his players for exchanging shirts with the Argentinians at the end and said afterwards "Our best football will come against the right type of opposition – a team who come to play football, and not act as animals.” England commited 33 fouls in the match compared to Argentina's 19.
1966, Russian linesmen and some people on the pitch The England-West Germany ended 2-2 after 90 minutes. In extra time Geoff Hurst's close range shot hit the bar and bounced "near' the line. The Russian linesman gave the goal although video evidence shows clearly the ball was nowhere near over the line. On his death bed, when asked how he could be so sure the ball had crossed the line, the linesman allegedly responded "Stalingrad". The fourth goal of England's 4-2 victory came as the Germans were pushing up for an equaliser. The most famous piece of commentary in English football history testifies to the fact that the English organisers had failed to stop people storming the pitch as he was heading towards goal. Cue Kenneth Wolstenholme...
1970, Bobby Moore England captain Bobby Moore was arrested for allegedly stealing a bracelet and held under house arrest for four days in Colombia prior to England's defence of their title. He was later released without charge and it is rumoured that everyone in Colombia knew he was innocent all along.
1974, West Germany vs Holland The final kicked off late after the Germans mysteriously forgot the corner flags. Yet another English referee decided the game by giving a harsh penalty against the Dutch after Hölzenbein, a notorious diver in the Bundesliga, had been hit by an anti-tank missile at about waist height. Franz Beckenbauer is alleged to have primed the ref for this decision after the first penalty (against Germany) by complaining to the ref "you are an Englishman".
1978, Willie Johnston Scotland's left-winger was sent home after failing a drugs test for Femcamfamin after the Peru game. Willie protested his innocence but the SFA chose not to back him.
1978, Argentina vs Peru Argentina needed to win by four goals to make the final. The won 6-0 after Peru and especially thier goalkeeper, Quiroga, had a shocker. Claims that the Argentian military dictatorship had paid off the Peruvians remain to this day. Quiroga was born in Argentina.
1982, West Germany vs Austria Algeria had beaten West Germany in the group 2-1, but in the final group game between West Germany and "arch rivals" Austria, a 1-0 win for the Germans would put both teams through at the expense of the Algerians. After 10 minutes the Germans scored and then both teams spent the remaining 80 minutes passing the ball around amongst themselves. The Algerians protested this "fix" but FIFA allowed the result to stand.
1982, Kuwait vs France Kuwait were losing 3-1 to France in this group 4 game when the Kuwaiti players "stopped after hearing a whistle" and allowed the French to score. The ref (not English because England were in the same group) gave the goal but after the president of the Kuwaiti FA stormed on to the pitch and threatened to take the players off, the referee changed his mind and annulled the goal.
1982, Spain vs Northern Ireland The mighty Northern Irish only managed to beat the minnows of Spain 1-0 in Spain. That this game was subsequently labeled an upset is a scandal of epic proportions.
1982, Schumacher on Battiston In the semi-final German goalkeeper Schumacher, with French defender Battiston bearing down on goal, made no attempt to play the ball and instead took out Battiston, knocking him out and breaking two of his teeth. The (Dutch) referee awarded a goal kick. Schumacher went on to make two decisive saves in the penalty shoot-out. Possibly the most brutal foul in football let alone World Cup football, with the exception of Boris Johnson's rugby tackle. ;-)
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Re: Most outrageous Wolrd Cup incident

Postby eujin » Wed Jun 09, 2010 5:15 am

1986, Hand of God Maradona scored with his hand against England in the quarter-final. Everyone saw it except the ref. Only four years after the Falklands war, Maradona claimed after the game that it was "the hand of God".
1990, final Two Argentinians were sent off, including the first ever sending off in a final. Klinsmann tried to launch himself into orbit and West Germany won with a penalty in the 85th minute after Völler fell over. Argentina were clearly playing for penalties, a tactic that had served them well in earlier rounds. I remember at the time thinking the ref could send the entire Argentinian team off and abandon the game and it was Maradona, of all people, trying to calm his team mates down. One of the Argentinians ran in to the referee's back, normally a straight red, but he got away with it.
1994, Maradona on ephedrine Maradona was high to the hills and it didn't need a drugs test as it was obvious to the whole TV audience when he celebrated his goal against Greece. D10s indeed.
1998, final, Ronaldo Ronaldo was announced out of the line-up an hour before the game, then back in the line-up half an hour later and played a poor game. It was later revealed that he had had a fit the night before the game and had been taken to hospital. Rumours that Nike had insisted he play despite this were denied by Ronaldo in evidence he gave to the Brazilian Congress in 2001.
2002, co-hosting FIFA decided that Korea and Japan, the only two applicants, should co-host the 2002 World Cup. This led to endless arguments between the two countires about whose name should come first on merchandise, what the names of the mascots should be and whether Korea was more prone to an attack by North Korea than Japan was to earthquakes and religious nutters. Vast amounts of money were wasted on stadiums and infrastructure as the two countries tried to outdo one another. The Emperor of Japan declined to attend the opening ceremony in Seoul.
2002, ROK in the semis We've talked about this before. As far as I know nothing has been proven but there are still a lot of people who think some deal was done to get the Koreans to the semis.
2006, Charlie Dempsey Oceania's representative on the FIFA Executive Committee had been ordered to vote for South Africa as hosts after England were eliminated in the voting. Instead he packed his bags and left, leading Germany to be awarded the World Cup instead. New Zealand Prime Minister Helen Clark had to personally apologise to the South Africans.
2006, Zidane on Materazzi In extra time of the final Zidane headbutted Italian defender Materazzi in the chest after he allegedly made a comment about his sister. The whole world saw it, as did the fourth official who alerted the ref and Zidane was sent off. French President Chirac lauded Zidane as "a man of heart and conviction".
2010, Hand of Henry Henry's handball goal knocked Ireland out of the qualifying play-off.

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Re: Most outrageous World Cup incident

Postby just because » Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:23 am

I chose the West german vs. Austria game....a fix like that in the WC is against every rule of sportsmanship.

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Re: Most outrageous World Cup incident

Postby sjc_three » Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:52 am

Not a terribly original choice, but had to go for the Hand of God. I tried hard to pick one of the others and there are definitely a fair few there which are far more outrageous in real terms (not least of all some of the political ones), but it's such a huge part of English footballing history, that I couldn't let it lie.

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Re: Most outrageous World Cup incident

Postby Rothesay Saint » Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:32 am

That is a fantastic list. A great mixture, I've never heard the bit about the Russian linesman "Stalingrad" thing before, sounds like a lot of bollocks, but I'm going to convince myself it is the unvarnished truth. :smt117

Regarding choosing the most outrageous, I think time has lot to do with it. A national team playing in black, complete with nazi salutes, teams not bothering to turn up at world cups seems just so far away now. So although they are far worse incidents on the list, I'm going to pick one from my lifetime and agree with justbecause. Austria v West Germany.
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Re: Most outrageous World Cup incident

Postby Gerd Bibimbapper » Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:53 am

Rothesay Saint wrote:That is a fantastic list. A great mixture, I've never heard the bit about the Russian linesman "Stalingrad" thing before, sounds like a lot of bollocks, but I'm going to convince myself it is the unvarnished truth. :smt117

Agree. Austria v West Germany gets my vote too - I remember watching this and thinking it was an attack on football itself, I'd never seen a game played that way before.


Rothesay, you're so right about "time having a lot to do with it". Years ago I heard that the "Russian" linesman wasn't "Russian", and just the other day I heard he was "Azeri" (so strictly speaking he would have been "Soviet", given the political landscape at the time).

But to some of us, he will always be <the "Russian" linesman>, and to some of us, the ball was most clearly, most definitely, over the line. 8)

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Re: Most outrageous World Cup incident

Postby nzfooty » Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:26 pm

Austria v West Germany though as some have pointed out perhaps because it was a recent scandal.

In 1950 India withdrew as well because they wanted to play matches barefooted but were told that this was not allowed.

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Re: Most outrageous World Cup incident

Postby MipoFanatic » Wed Jun 09, 2010 2:52 pm

nzfooty wrote:In 1950 India withdrew as well because they wanted to play matches barefooted but were told that this was not allowed.

Ouch. Footballs were basically leather bricks back in those days...
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Re: Most outrageous World Cup incident

Postby eujin » Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:57 pm

Some of my Indian mates have claimed that the barefoot thing was just an excuse to pull out of the tournament because of the cost. This kind of makes sense since I'd play at the World Cup even if FIFA told me I had to wear a bobble hat, especially if everyone else was already wearing bobble hats. France and Portugal also declined the invitation to step in as replacements for india. I think this was in the days before FIFA "generously" agreed to pay teams' travel costs. The Indian team went on to do quite well (for a while) wearing shoes. The right thing to do would be to track down the official Indian FA version.

The Russian linesman is indeed Azeri. The national stadium in Baku is named after him, the Tofik Bakhramov Stadium. You know you have a glorious sporting history when your national stadium is named after a referee, especially one whose most famous decision was so obviously wrong. Curiously Georgia isn't half as keen to claim Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili (aka Stalin) as one of their own.

I think that knowingly not breaking any written rules should be trumped by breaking written rules should be trumped by knowingly breaking written rules. The West Germans and Austrians didn't break any rules at the time. I still think if you had two clubs even today that both needed a point to stay up a draw is by far the most likely result. I'm still convinced that the West Germans deliberately threw their 1986 group game against Denmark so that they could play Morocco in the next round and avoid Spain - the minnows of Spain. Actually it would be interesting to know what the stats are about teams losing games and still making the final. The Germans seem to have a habit of doing it, 1954, 1974, 1982, 1986 and 2002 if we count a certain 5-1 in Munich. They got through the whole tournament in 1990 without losing but that's the only time.

As for Maradona, the most outrageous thing about that for me is the justification for cheating "un poco con la cabeza de Maradona y otro poco con la mano de Dios" (a little with the head of Maradona and a little with the hand of God). Otherwise it's just a dubious goal that helped a better team through the quarteri-finals of a tournament they deserved to win. England were hardly robbed in the way the Dutch or Hungarians were. There's also Hodge's miscued clearance/backpass and Shilton's pathetic (immortalised) attempt to punch the ball from a guy half his height that gives the whole thing an element of comedy.

I'm going to give the 1954 German team the benefit of the doubt and vote for the 1990 final. The politics and organisational outrages are all good but this is a pure football matter. The fact that the Germans were boring and cheated but still deserved to win because they were less boring and cheated less than the Argentinians does it for me. And I have to listen to Germans constantly going on about it as if it was some kind of great triumph. Klinsmann's performance was just incredible, it's hard to believe it these days until you see a replay. Both teams were playing for penalties, the Germans just had the sense to "play" for penalties in the 90 minutes. Deliberately running into the referee, in the World Cup final, amazing.

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Re: Most outrageous World Cup incident

Postby Holyjoe » Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:07 pm

Difficult to pick from the list as there are so many.. I wouldn't vote for Austria-West Germany for similar reasons to what eujin outlined (though I'd probably change my mind if Scotland were involved). I'd be more inclined to along the crazy foul/playacting route but there will have been dozens of them through World Cup history. A few, like Slaven Bilic getting Laurent Blanc suspended for the 1998 World Cup final and Rivaldo getting that Turkish bloke sent off, stand out as do Zidane in the 2006 final and of course Toni Schumacher.

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Re: Most outrageous World Cup incident

Postby nzfooty » Thu May 22, 2014 7:08 pm

Fifa makes killing at S Africa's expense

That's pretty outrageous as well...


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