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Incheon United’s North: K-League better than A-League

Postby Holyjoe » Thu May 14, 2009 3:33 am

Interesting observations, given Verbeek didn't really rate the K-League. He saw it as more of a sideways step than a step up but then the players are getting more of a first-hand experience of the training methods.

Incheon United’s North: K-League better than A-League
12.05.09 | Andrew Slevison

Former Newcastle Jets skipper Jade North rates the new league he is competing in as much better than the A-League.

The defender is currently playing with Incheon United in Korea’s K-League and says he now understands ongoing comments made by Socceroos coach Pim Verbeek who wants his players plying their respective trades overseas.

“It’s the training that’s the difference, it’s just so much harder than what it is back home. I now fully appreciate why Pim has been critical of the A-League at times,” said North.

“I realise what he’s been talking about. I used to be one of those A-League players who probably didn’t really understand what he meant and thought we were doing okay.

“Being up here has really opened my eyes. It took me to come to Korea to really appreciate the differences.

“It’s what you do during the week which makes you a better player more than anything that happens on match-days, whether it’s tactical things with the coaches or something just based on fitness levels.

“Everything in Korea is so professional, the training is so intense, it’s just different to what you do in Australia.”

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Postby Cyclops » Thu May 14, 2009 10:26 am

I haven't got much idea about the comparative quality of the football in the 2 leagues as I've never seen an A-League game, but what he says about training is easy to believe. European players in the past have often expressed surprise about the lack of intensity in training and lifestyle when they moved to British clubs, and I would guess Australian training culture might be similar to the British before the era of full time fitness trainers, dieticians and fancy ice baths. One thing Korean players are seldom criticised for is lack of fitness, so has to be assumed training must be fairly hard-core. If Incheon keep working hard they might even be able to be a bunch of students next year.

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Postby Gerd Bibimbapper » Fri May 29, 2009 10:48 am

Incheon United’s North: K-League better than A-League


What, sitting on your a*se instead of having to run around for 90 minutes for the same money?
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Postby nzfooty » Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:17 am

The AFC 3+1 rule, and a short A-League season means a number of A-League players have moved to other AFC Leagues

South Korea:
Jade North (Incheon United)
Antun Kovacic (Ulsan Hyundai Horang-i)
Saša Ognenovski (Seongnam Ilhwa)

China:
Joel Griffiths (Beijing Guoan)
Mark Bridge (Tianjin Teda FC )
Matt McKay (Changchun Yatai)
Mark Milligan (Shanghai Shenhua)
Jonas Salley (Shaanxi Chanba)

There are couple other Australian players players playing in those leagues (and
in Japan) but they moved there from European clubs.

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Postby Gerd Bibimbapper » Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:57 pm

The AFC 3+1 rule, and a short A-League season means a number of A-League players have moved to other AFC Leagues


Nothing to do with the money then...

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Postby nzfooty » Mon Sep 07, 2009 10:48 pm

Surely not?

Again, there were unique aspects to the move like the fact that he couldn’t have ‘North’ emblazoned on the back of his playing shirt due to political tensions (with the more simple ‘Jade’ having to suffice) being one of the more unusual. But it’s the challenge of being a true pioneer that has driven the move.


Contrasting fortunes for Popeye and Jade

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Postby Holyjoe » Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:54 pm

That seems unlikely... if the North Korean national team itself are able salute their anthem and have their national flags displayed during games in the nation's capital, then there's unlikely to be a fuss about a benchwarming foreign import to the K-League displaying a transliterated version of his name on the back of his shirt. It's rare to have a foreign player registered under his surname in the K-League, so this seems a rather fanciful way to explain it.

As an aside, I can't be the only person who's seen signs for "노스페이스" shops in Korea and thought it meant "No Space" instead of "North Face"...

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Postby Holyjoe » Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:07 pm

Not so complimentary about the way things are done in Korea now...

Jade North Versus South
Dec 30 2009

EXCLUSIVE: Socceroo Jade North has warned A-League stars desperate for an overseas move to help their national team chances that it’s not always a dream move.

Sydney FC's Alex Brosque and Simon Colosimo - part of a 15-man A-League contingent heading to Dubai to prepare for the January 6 Asian Cup qualifier with Kuwait - are just two wannabe World Cup stars assessing their options while also eyeing regular A-League football till March.

It's a tricky situation for many, but one Incheon United's out-of-favour Socceroo Jade North is also wrestling with. He must impress in the upcoming pre-season and hope he gets back playing regular first team football.

Otherwise a move to another club will be high on his agenda when he returns to his K-League club.

"They know I have to get out," he told au.fourfourtwo.com. "They like to look after their own over there. It's hard when you're a foreigner. In my team they expect a helluva lot from their foreign boys. We have a lot of pressure on us.

"I can be chopped and changed all the time. That's their way, their style. One week it's two changes, next week five changes. You never know where you stand in the team. It's frustrating.

"They went unbeaten for quite a few consecutive games so I was out of favour again... there is the language barrier too with communication throughout the club. And we train on dirt pitches. It was a bit of a shock when I first got there."


Now back in Newcastle with his family, the surfside vibe is proving the perfect antidote for a disappointing end to 2009. North returns to South Korea on Saturday for a punishing two-month winter pre-season schedule at a mountain training base with two hour sessions twice a day, every day.

But he ruled out as return to an A-League club in the ACL saying he needed the intensity of an overseas league - echoing national coach Pim Verbeek's comments about national team selection.

"If people want to have a crack at a World Cup spot, they've got to find themselves in an overseas competition playing all the way up to the World Cup - not every couple of weeks or whatever," North said.

"When I get back I'll sit down and speak with them to see where my future lies with them. As a foreigner I've come to them but haven't played enough games, and you have to wonder why.

"And it's had a big impact on my national team chances. I thought going over to Korea would enhance my chances [in the national team]."


Crucially, Verbeek sounded distinctly apathetic when quizzed about North at a recent press conference.

"I have no idea," said the Dutchman when asked about the former Jet. "I haven't spoken with him at all. I can't speak with all 50 players. So I was focussing on the players I thought had a chance to be in part of the camp.

"The league in Korea is finished already for four weeks and he didn't play for months, so, Jade has to think very hard what he's going to do in the upcoming five months."

Up until a few months ago, North was a semi-regular in Verbeek's side, boosting his national team caps to 28. But the last few months have been disastrous for the former Queensland junior.

He's barely played a club game for United - who he joined at the start of the Asian season in 2009 - after falling out of favour mid-year with Serbian coach Ilija Petkovic.

North, now 27, was one of the few locally based Aussies who impressed Socceroo coach Pim Verbeek when the Dutchman took the reins in early 2008.

In March of that year, the Taree-born indigenous player's performance in Kunming against China in a round three World Cup qualifier was outstanding. And on the back of a Grand Final winning season with Newcastle Jets, North's career appeared on the rise.

However, with the World Cup just five and a half months away, North has missed selection for the last three Socceroo games.

The next chance for North would be in March 2010 when the Socceroos play their final Asian Cup qualifier against Indonesia. A solid pre-season at Incheon and some games under his belt could be the catalyst for a late run.

"The good thing is that it's happened to me now - not right before the World Cup. Pim knows what I can do. He just wants to see me play regular football," added North, a former Joey and Olyroo.

The ex-Glory and Brisbane Strikers player was philosophical, saying it's been a rollercoaster year.

"I've had a few more downs than ups. I don't know why I was out of favour," he said.

North added that the K-League had a few clubs playing an attractive brand of football but outside those few top sides it's a high-intensity, physical game. It may suit the likes of Sasa Ognenovski, who's starred for Seongnam, but for the more technical, less imposing North, it hasn't yet clicked.

"It's a totally different ball game," he said. "They like to play man-to-man and get stuck in. But the top four teams like FC Seoul, Pohang, Seongnam and Suwon play fantastic football."

But his Socceroo commitments didn't help, with North finding it hard to win back his spot after being away on national team duties, a task made even harder because North was a foreigner.

North admits he's baffled why Incheon signed him.

"I really don't know," he said. "It took me time to find my feet and when I did, it's hard to get in the team.

"They probably didn't see me as a presence on the field. I think they wanted someone to come in and make a big impact straight away."


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Re: Incheon United’s North: K-League better than A-League

Postby eujin » Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:35 pm

But the top four teams like FC Seoul, Pohang, Seongnam and Suwon play fantastic football."

Being clearly off his head for most of last season obviously doesn't help.

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Postby anamerican » Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:17 pm

eujin wrote:
But the top four teams like FC Seoul, Pohang, Seongnam and Suwon play fantastic football."

Being clearly off his head for most of last season obviously doesn't help.


That gave me a good chuckle. Seongnam? Did he see the same games I did?
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Postby Rothesay Saint » Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:06 am

I like Sasa Ognenovski but I wouldn't say the K-league suits him, quite the opposite in fact.
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Postby eujin » Tue Jan 19, 2010 2:47 am

A lot of Aussies, rightly or wrongly, say that soccer is for wimps. How does it go? Sheilas, wogs and poofters? But here we have an Aussie, a central defender no less, claiming that the K-League is a bit rough for him and he's too delicate to play with all the big Asian lads.

I'd been under the impression up to now that Koreans were a bit light-weight and Ki Seong-yong was a big girl's blouse, but maybe that's just relative to the K-League. Maybe Ki is really a bruising Mark Hateley type, who's gonna rough up the muddy midfield of many a Scottish windswept ground.

Umm, somehow...

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Postby Gerd Bibimbapper » Tue Jan 19, 2010 10:42 am

He's barely played a club game for United - who he joined at the start of the Asian season in 2009 - after falling out of favour mid-year with Serbian coach Ilija Petkovic.


Hmm...player-coach disharmony, and not a Korean amongst them!

North admits he's baffled why Incheon signed him.


I admit I'm baffled - as to what Jade proposes to do next.
Surely he'll have to set his sights higher than a second consecutive K-League Reserves Title if he wants to go to South Africa (with the Socceroos, that is).

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Postby just because » Tue Jan 19, 2010 3:18 pm

eujin wrote:A lot of Aussies, rightly or wrongly, say that soccer is for wimps. How does it go? Sheilas, wogs and poofters? But here we have an Aussie, a central defender no less, claiming that the K-League is a bit rough for him and he's too delicate to play with all the big Asian lads.


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Postby Holyjoe » Wed Jan 27, 2010 10:34 am

Bye bye...

North heads to Sweden
27/01/2010 10:09 AM

Fringe Socceroos defender Jade North will attempt to restart his quest for a spot in Pim Verbeek's World Cup squad in Sweden after embarking on a trial with first division side Trelleborg.

The Swedish Allsvenskan may be in winter recess until March, but North sees a move from Korea, where he has struggled to play first team football for Incheon United this season, as key to his prospects of getting on the World Cup radar.

"I have played in some of the World Cup qualifiers, but I was told by the coach that I have to be playing club football if I am to be considered for selection," North told local newspaper Trelleborg Allehanda. "To play I have to find a new club and I see Trelleborgs as an opportunity for a new start."

Club director Lasse Larsson spoke to North's former Newcastle Jets team-mate Ante Covic and said he received a glowing report about the 28-time Socceroo.

"His agent called, so I put a call in to Ante Covic from Elfsborg. We talked about him and it was clear there was a lot of interest in Jade. He is agile and quick and while he isn't that tall for a central defender, he is very comfortable on the ball," Larsson said.

"He has a contract in Korea, but according to his agent they are prepared to release him as they have too many foreign players."

North will spend at least a week on trial with the club and will participate in a trial match against Danish club side Lyngby on the weekend.


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