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Re: 2019 AFC Asian Cup

Postby nzfooty » Tue Jun 16, 2015 6:41 pm

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Well done Guam! After defeating Turkmenistan 1-0 a few days ago, they have added another scalp tonight, winning 2-1 against India!
Nice wee write up following their win against Turkmenistan.
Guam: the tiny US territory that just won its first ever World Cup match (The Guardian)

Link to Soccerway where the other matches that are being played tonight are listed:
WC Qualification Asia

Link to Wiki which has a good overview of the complicated qualification process.

Holyjoe wrote:A - Malaysia - Timor Leste - Palestine - Saudi Arabia - UAE
B - Bangladesh - Kyrgystan - Tajikistan - Jordan - Australia
C - Hong Kong - Bhutan - Maldives - Qatar - China PR
D - Guam - Turkmenistan - India - Oman - Iran
E - Cambodia - Singapore - Afghanistan - Syria - Japan
F - Chinese Taipei - Indonesia - Thailand - Vietnam - Iraq
G - Laos - Myanmar - Lebanon - Kuwait - Korea Republic
H - Yemen - DPR Korea - Philippines - Bahrain - Uzbekistan

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Re: 2019 AFC Asian Cup

Postby Holyjoe » Tue Jun 16, 2015 7:07 pm

That's some result for Guam, but of course a very poor one for India. Interesting to note that Stephen Constantine is back in charge of India, he's had one hell of an interesting and rather nomadic managerial career which has seen him manage Nepal, Malawi, India, Rwanda, Sudan and club sides in Cyprus as well as backroom coaching positions at Millwall and Bournemouth. I know that he'd applied for a number of K-League vacancies during the mid-2000s but he never really got anywhere, I'm almost 100% certain he was in for the Busan job when it eventually went to Andy Egli.

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Re: 2019 AFC Asian Cup

Postby nzfooty » Tue Jun 16, 2015 8:04 pm

That didn't take long:
India Loses to Guam in Soccer World Cup Qualifiers (The Wall Street Journal)

Guam spring another surprise, against India, to top World Cup qualifying group (The Guardian)

Dig out that list of Indian soccer lows, there is a new one to add, in bold.

India lost to Guam in a qualifier for the 2018 FIFA World Cup on Tuesday. India, it will be pointed out again and again, is a nation of 1.2 billion people. Guam has around 160,000. For every person in Guam there are 7,500 in India.




Holyjoe wrote:That's some result for Guam, but of course a very poor one for India. Interesting to note that Stephen Constantine is back in charge of India, he's had one hell of an interesting and rather nomadic managerial career which has seen him manage Nepal, Malawi, India, Rwanda, Sudan and club sides in Cyprus as well as backroom coaching positions at Millwall and Bournemouth. I know that he'd applied for a number of K-League vacancies during the mid-2000s but he never really got anywhere, I'm almost 100% certain he was in for the Busan job when it eventually went to Andy Egli.


According to one commentator it could be worse:
RaylanCrowder

Not surprised by this one bit. We were shite against Oman and we were shite again today. We will probably slip back to 171 in the rankings by the time the eighth match ends. Still prefer Constantine to Koevermans though because at least we made it past the first round in this qualification campaign.

Congrats to Guam though. Hope they can finish ahead of Oman

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Re: 2019 AFC Asian Cup

Postby nzfooty » Wed Jun 17, 2015 11:30 am

World-ranked 174 Guam stun India in World Cup qualifier (BBC)

A country ranked 174 in the world, with a population of 165,000 and coached by a former Bognor Regis player has beaten India in qualifying for the World Cup...


White, 40, was previously coach of the British Virgin Islands and Bahamas national team. He is one of 16 coaches on a Football Association scheme created to boost the number of English coaches in the Premier League.


And here is an article from January 2013 where White says he wants to manage in the Premier League:
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/20987248]Guam coach Gary White wants to manage in Premier League (BBC)

But it's not just Guam that has shown immense improvement. Worthy of praise are also the following teams:

Palestine
They qualified through the backdoor (AFC Challenge Cup) for the Asian Nations Cup in Australia where they predictably got smashed (1:11 goals).
However they seem better for that experience and have shown improvement.
Couple days ago they lost 3-2 to Saudi Arabia (winning coal coming in the 4th minute of injury time) and last night they put six past Malaysia in
Kuala Lumpur!!
Malaysia 0-6 Palestine: Charitable Malaysia gift six to Palestine
That said Malaysia looked absolutely dreadful (see the highlights):


Philippines
So bad that they didn't even bother entering the qualifiers for the 2006 and 2010 World Cup, they have made huge progress since (partially by looking
for eligible players who were brought up and trained overseas). Two very impressive results so far in these qualifiers: 2-1 home win over Bahrain at home
and 2-0 win in Doha over Yemen (moved due to the conflict in Yemen).
Unfortunately for the Philippines this is a very tough group, with matches against Uzbekistan and North Korea yet to come. But on that form who knows...
PHL Azkals stun Yemen with two goals in World Cup Qualifiers in Doha




Notable mention to:
Singapore
After putting 4 past Cambodia on the road, held out for a 0-0 draw against Japan in Saitama. Must fancy their chances of making the
final round after that display given that the only other team of note in this weak group is Syria.

Timor-Leste
Embarrassed the (as mention, the admittedly poor) Malaysian team by holding them to a 1-1 draw in Kuala Lumpur a few days ago.
Now, playing their home match in the Malaysian city of Shah Alam, held out for 80 minutes against UAE, with the match ending 0-1.

Turkmenistan
After losing 1-0 to Guam, restored some pride with a 1-1 home draw with Iran.

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Re: 2019 AFC Asian Cup

Postby nzfooty » Sat Jul 25, 2015 5:57 pm

Seems like fielding players you are not supposed to is the latest craze in international football.
In this case it does not seem to have made a huge amount of difference though:

Yemen default World Cup qualifier for ineligible player

ZURICH -- FIFA has ordered Yemen to default a World Cup qualifying match for fielding a player who was technically banned.

FIFA says it awarded North Korea a 3-0 win over Yemen in an Asian second-round group-stage match on June 11.

North Korea had won 1-0 against a Yemen team including Mudir Al Radaei. He should have served a one-match ban for getting yellow cards in both legs of the previous round.

The game was played in Doha, Qatar, after FIFA ruled Yemen unsafe to host matches.

Yemen are last in the five-team group after two rounds.

FIFA has now ordered two 2018 World Cup qualifiers to be defaulted because of ineligible players.

Barbados were eliminated last week after FIFA overturned a 1-0 second-leg win against Aruba into a 3-0 loss.

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Re: 2019 AFC Asian Cup

Postby eujin » Sat Jul 25, 2015 11:25 pm

nzfooty wrote:Seems like fielding players you are not supposed to is the latest craze in international football.

It's a joke. They need to do something about it. Put it on the (long) list of things FIFA need to sort out.

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Re: 2019 AFC Asian Cup

Postby nzfooty » Mon Aug 31, 2015 3:26 pm

A good overview of the complicated qualifying process that doubles as Asian Cup AND World Cup qualifiers can be seen here.

Some match ups on September 3:
Bahrain v North Korea
North Korea have made a good start in a very evenly matched group (table). They face Bahrain on the road who will be try to make a recovery following their surprising loss to the Philippines.

Japan v Cambodia
Syria v Singapore

Japan dropped points at home in their match against Singapore. They shouldn't struggle much here (and on Sep 8 when they face Afghanistan in Tehran).
As for Singapore, any points won against Syria (match being played in Oman) and they can start dreaming of making the next round of World Cup qualifiers.
They did however suffer a 4-0 defeat in a friendly against Qatar on the weekend.

Iran v Guam
This is probably where Guam's dream run will end...

China PR v Hong Kong
Being played just on the other side of the border in Shenzhen.

Australia v Bangladesh (in Perth)
And then the ozzies travel to Tajikistan (Sep 8 )

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Re: 2019 AFC Asian Cup

Postby nzfooty » Thu Sep 03, 2015 11:04 am

nzfooty wrote:A good overview of the complicated qualifying process that doubles as Asian Cup AND World Cup qualifiers can be seen here.

Some match ups on September 3:
Australia v Bangladesh (in Perth)
And then the ozzies travel to Tajikistan (Sep 8 )


Sounds like all is not well in the Australian camp:
Socceroos will not boycott World Cup qualifier despite pay dispute with FFA

Then again what are the chances of them being determinately affected against Bangladesh tonight?

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Re: 2019 AFC Asian Cup

Postby eujin » Thu Sep 03, 2015 10:24 pm

nzfooty wrote:Then again what are the chances of them being determinately affected against Bangladesh tonight?

It's Bangladesh. Would we even notice if they won 3-0 instead of 5-0?

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Re: 2019 AFC Asian Cup

Postby nzfooty » Fri Sep 04, 2015 11:39 am

eujin wrote:
nzfooty wrote:Then again what are the chances of them being determinately affected against Bangladesh tonight?

It's Bangladesh. Would we even notice if they won 3-0 instead of 5-0?


In the end they won 5-0 but that was tame compared to the carnage elsewhere.

Below results + September 8 fixtures and tables. Pretty much everyone qualifies for the next round of Asia Cup qualifiers (or gets another bite)
but in terms of World Cup qualifiers, only the group winners and the 4 best runners-up progress.

Observations:
* WTF is wrong with Malaysia? They were never a regional force BUT BUT BUT a 6-0 home loss against Palestine and a 10-0 thumping in the UAE?
* Extremely poor results by China and Jordan - being held at home against that calibre of opposition is not going to help to finish among the best runners-up.
* Singapore failed to get a point on the road against Syria thus denting hopes of finishing second in the group (and definitely being one of the best runners-up)
* Nth Korea's group doesn't have any particularly weak teams. That said, Bahrain and Yemen are increasingly looking like they won't not be troubling
the business end of the World Cup qualifiers.

Key September 8 clashes in marked with :!:

Group A
UAE 10 - 0 Malaysia
Saudi Arabia 7 - 0 Timor-Leste

Malaysia v Saudi Arabia
Palestine v United Arab Emirates :!:

Code: Select all

UAE          2    6
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Saudi Arabia 2    6
- - - - - - - - - -
Palestine    2    3
Timor-Leste  3    1
Malaysia     3    1


Group B
Australia 5 - 0 Bangladesh
Jordan 0 - 0 Kyrgyzstan

Bangladesh v Jordan
Tajikistan v Australia

Code: Select all

Australia    2    6
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Jordan       2    4
- - - - - - - - - -
Kyrgyzstan   3    4
Tajikistan   2    1
Bangladesh   3    1



Group C
China 0 - 0 Hong Kong
Qatar 15 - 0 Bhutan

Maldives v China :!: - Maldives can be stubborn at home
Hong Kong v Qatar :!:

Code: Select all

Hong Kong    3    7
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Qatar        2    6
- - - - - - - - - -
China        2    4
Maldives     2    0
Bhutan       3    0


Group D
Iran 6 - 0 Guam
Oman 3 - 1 Turkmenistan

Guam v Oman :!:
India v Iran

Code: Select all

Oman         2    6
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Guam         3    6
- - - - - - - - - -
Iran         2    4
Turkmenistan 3    1
India        2    0


Group E
Japan 3 - 0 Cambodia
Syria 1 - 0 Singapore

Cambodia v Syria
Afghanistan v Japan

Code: Select all

Syria        2    6
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Singapore    3    4
- - - - - - - - - -
Japan        2    4
Afghanistan  2    3
Cambodia     3    0


Group F
Iraq 5 - 1 Taiwan

Taiwan v Vietnam
Thailand v Iraq :!:

Code: Select all

Thailand     2    6
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Iraq         1    3
- - - - - - - - - -
Vietnam      1    0
Taiwan       2    0


Goup G
South Korea 8 - 0 Laos
Kuwait 9 - 0 Myanmar

Laos v Kuwait
Lebanon v South Korea :!:


Code: Select all

Kuwait       2    6
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Sth Korea    2    6
- - - - - - - - - -
Lebanon      2    3
Laos            3    1
Myanmar      3    1


Group H
Uzbekistan 1 - 0 Yemen
Bahrain 0 - 1 North Korea

Philippines v Uzbekistan :!:
Yemen v Bahrain :!: - last chance saloon

Code: Select all

Nth Korea    3    9
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Philippines  2    6
- - - - - - - - - -
Uzbekistan   2    3
Bahrain      2    0
Yemen        3    0


For more detailed standings see here.

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Re: 2019 AFC Asian Cup / World Cup qualification

Postby eujin » Sat Sep 05, 2015 1:21 am

Win 8-0 and you're still not top on goal difference. :roll:

The Bbc wrote:No fewer than 76 goals were rattled in by Asian teams in Thursday's 15 games - an average of 5.067 per match, one of the highest on record.


Malaysia apparently used three different keepers in their 10-0 loss.

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Re: 2019 AFC Asian Cup / World Cup qualification

Postby SteveW » Sat Sep 05, 2015 1:55 am

Apparently all these humpings are good for Asian football ... or so says Twatters anyway.

Because Guam seems to be the argument.
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Re: 2019 AFC Asian Cup / World Cup qualification

Postby eujin » Sat Sep 05, 2015 5:55 am

SteveW wrote:Apparently all these humpings are good for Asian football ... or so says Twatters anyway.

Because Guam seems to be the argument.

I share your cynicism, but I think we should give it a bit of chance because things obviously aren't going to change much after a couple of matches.

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Re: 2019 AFC Asian Cup / World Cup qualification

Postby nzfooty » Sat Sep 05, 2015 6:57 am

eujin wrote:
SteveW wrote:Apparently all these humpings are good for Asian football ... or so says Twatters anyway.

Because Guam seems to be the argument.

I share your cynicism, but I think we should give it a bit of chance because things obviously aren't going to change much after a couple of matches.


It was carnage on Thursday night and clearly not pretty. That said, that night the top seeds were at home against bottom seeds so it got especially brutal.
You get a handful of matches like that, early on in a 4-year cycle (if the current system stays as it is). Soon enough the likes of Australia (having secured qualification for the AFC cup) will bugger off to play 10 to 14 match World Cup qualification campaign against other heavies while the minnows fight out amongst themselves for the remaining AFC places.

Not sure this will improve Asian football but if it is a waste of time, it's not a huge one. It's early in the post WC/AFC cycle, good chance for the bigger teams to regroup and lets face it, Korea needed scoring practice that they got the other night. Also (and this is of course subjective) I do like the inclusiveness.

p.s. China 0-0 Hong Kong was top seeds vs bottom seeds but that probably says more about FIFA's ranking than anything else.

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Re: 2019 AFC Asian Cup

Postby nzfooty » Tue Sep 08, 2015 6:04 pm

First result of the night of Asian qualifiers:
Guam 0 - 0 Oman

Guam have done well but they have also played three home matches (one left vs Iran).
Don't think they will be adding much to their current total of 7 points. They probably
have done enough to qualify for the next round of AFC Asian Cup qualifiers though.

Being played tonight:
India v Iran

Code: Select all

Oman         3    7
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Guam         4    7
- - - - - - - - - -
Iran         2    4
Turkmenistan 3    1
India        2    0


See below for the other fixtures:


nzfooty wrote:In the end they won 5-0 but that was tame compared to the carnage elsewhere.

Below results + September 8 fixtures and tables. Pretty much everyone qualifies for the next round of Asia Cup qualifiers (or gets another bite)
but in terms of World Cup qualifiers, only the group winners and the 4 best runners-up progress.

Key September 8 clashes in marked with :!:

Group A
UAE 10 - 0 Malaysia
Saudi Arabia 7 - 0 Timor-Leste

Malaysia v Saudi Arabia
Palestine v United Arab Emirates :!:

Code: Select all

UAE          2    6
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Saudi Arabia 2    6
- - - - - - - - - -
Palestine    2    3
Timor-Leste  3    1
Malaysia     3    1


Group B
Australia 5 - 0 Bangladesh
Jordan 0 - 0 Kyrgyzstan

Bangladesh v Jordan
Tajikistan v Australia

Code: Select all

Australia    2    6
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Jordan       2    4
- - - - - - - - - -
Kyrgyzstan   3    4
Tajikistan   2    1
Bangladesh   3    1



Group C
China 0 - 0 Hong Kong
Qatar 15 - 0 Bhutan

Maldives v China :!: - Maldives can be stubborn at home
Hong Kong v Qatar :!:

Code: Select all

Hong Kong    3    7
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Qatar        2    6
- - - - - - - - - -
China        2    4
Maldives     2    0
Bhutan       3    0


Group D
Iran 6 - 0 Guam
Oman 3 - 1 Turkmenistan

Guam v Oman :!:
India v Iran

Code: Select all

Oman         2    6
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Guam         3    6
- - - - - - - - - -
Iran         2    4
Turkmenistan 3    1
India        2    0


Group E
Japan 3 - 0 Cambodia
Syria 1 - 0 Singapore

Cambodia v Syria
Afghanistan v Japan

Code: Select all

Syria        2    6
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Singapore    3    4
- - - - - - - - - -
Japan        2    4
Afghanistan  2    3
Cambodia     3    0


Group F
Iraq 5 - 1 Taiwan

Taiwan v Vietnam
Thailand v Iraq :!:

Code: Select all

Thailand     2    6
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Iraq         1    3
- - - - - - - - - -
Vietnam      1    0
Taiwan       2    0


Goup G
South Korea 8 - 0 Laos
Kuwait 9 - 0 Myanmar

Laos v Kuwait
Lebanon v South Korea :!:


Code: Select all

Kuwait       2    6
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Sth Korea    2    6
- - - - - - - - - -
Lebanon      2    3
Laos            3    1
Myanmar      3    1


Group H
Uzbekistan 1 - 0 Yemen
Bahrain 0 - 1 North Korea

Philippines v Uzbekistan :!:
Yemen v Bahrain :!: - last chance saloon

Code: Select all

Nth Korea    3    9
-------------------
Philippines  2    6
- - - - - - - - - -
Uzbekistan   2    3
Bahrain      2    0
Yemen        3    0


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