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Re: Asian World Cup struggles

Postby SteveW » Tue Jun 24, 2014 7:40 pm

I think you could make an argument to reduce the number of Asian teams based on their performances at the World Cups.

Counting this one and going back to 1994 the only time they have managed to do anything was when Japan and Korea were at home (which is a bit of anomaly) and in 2010 when Japan and Korea managed to get out the groups.

Nobody else in Asia does anything of note going back until Saudi Arabia make it out the group in 1994, when AFC only had 2 qualifiers.

Basically if you aren't good enough to be one of the top 2 teams in Asia then chances are you aren't going to do much of note at the World Cup whether you are Iran, China, North Korea, Australia or whoever.

I'd say you could give them 3 slots and throw one of their slots into a qualifying mini-tournament. 2 group winners in Asia qualification go through, then a play-off between the 2 runners up for the 3rd slot with the loser going into the mini-tournament.

Combine the qualifying tournament with the Confederations Cup to help with logistics possibly?

On another note...I'm not looking forward to the expanded Euros even though Scotland might qualify its just going to be more of the same old same old Sweden v Ukraine or Bosnia v Switzerland. Does anyone care?

As far as the world cup is concerned I would say allocate:

3 from Asia
3 from CONCACAF
4 from Africa
6 from CONMEBOL
10 from UEFA
1 from Oceania
+ the host

That's 28 I think...leaving up to 4 slots available for a mini-tournament
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Re: Asian World Cup struggles

Postby daeguowl » Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:01 pm

The easy way to solve this is to expand the World Cup to 40 teams with eight groups of five. Everybody can gain a place or two, FIFA can make more money, we can watch more football.

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Re: Asian World Cup struggles

Postby SteveW » Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:06 pm

daeguowl wrote:The easy way to solve this is to expand the World Cup to 40 teams with eight groups of five. Everybody can gain a place or two, FIFA can make more money, we can watch more football.


I'm actually thinking it needs to shrink a bit... seemed to take forever to get to the Korea game and I was footballed out by the time I got there.

Don't know if there's a way they could string out fewer teams for the same number of games?

I'd happily watch Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay etc play just about anyone but when it gets down to Ecuador Honduras or Greece I have a limit.
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Re: Asian World Cup struggles

Postby nzfooty » Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:41 am

I like the variety at the World Cup. I skip the teams I don't want to watch but I am happy for their fans and some of the teams in this category even do well from time to time (eg Costa Rica).

(Ecuador v Honduras was apparently played at 9C... random fact. It was an okay match as well).

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Re: Asian World Cup struggles

Postby Pikey » Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:31 pm

A lot of us here had a vested interest, but from reading reports people enjoyed the Algeria v Korea game a lot more than they expected. Certainly it seemed better than most of Uruguay v Italy (until bitegate). Costa Rica have generally been enjoyable too (apart from the England game). I think the amount of teams is about right. Down to 24 and you risk Italia 90 style England Ireland Holland Egypt almost 4 way draw borefest
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Re: Asian World Cup struggles

Postby SteveW » Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:10 pm

With Japan's failure last night it looks like the AFC have only 2 more chances to avoid all their teams going home without a win.

Can Iran beat the odds to take 3 points off Bosnia?

Or will Korea manage to find some form to beat Belgium?

Both look like outside bets at the moment.

You need to go back to Italia 90 for a tournament where that happened previously - with UAE and Korea losing all 6 matches.

At the minute Iran are the best Asian team in the tournament on goal difference - they need to avoid a heavy defeat and at least match Korea's result for that to stay that way. Not sure how good it would look if Asia's best performing team didn't manage a single goal in the tournament but my bet would be up so I'd be happy anyway.
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Re: Asian World Cup struggles

Postby SteveW » Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:30 am

Well Iran barely turned up against Bosnia, don't know if they exhausted themselves against Argentina or just never believed they had a chance of qualifying but its was a pretty poor performance from them.

Now on -3 goal difference so if Korea do better than a 2-0 defeat then its Korea that will finish 'the best team in Asia'
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Re: Asian World Cup struggles

Postby Roarchild » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:32 am

Iran, Australia and Japan all finished bottom of their group.

'best team in Asia' feels like a bogey prize given the World Cup Asia has had.

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Re: Asian World Cup struggles

Postby nzfooty » Mon Jun 30, 2014 8:20 pm

Aguirre Set to Replace Zaccheroni as Japan Coach

Mexican Javier Aguirre is set to become Japan's new coach following the resignation of Alberto Zaccheroni, local media reported on Monday.

The Japan Football Association said no formal decision has been made, but Nikkansports newspaper reported Aguirre is expected to travel to Japan in July to sign a $2.45 million a year deal that would run through the 2018 World Cup in Russia.

The 55-year-old Aguirre guided Mexico to the round of 16 at the World Cup in 2002 and 2010.

Zaccheroni stepped down after Japan was eliminated from the World Cup following a 2-1 loss to Ivory Coast, a 0-0 draw to 10-man Greece and a 4-1 thrashing by Colombia.

Colombia coach Jose Pekerman and former Nagoya Grampus manager Dragan Stojkovic were also mentioned as candidates to replace Zaccheroni.

In five trips to the World Cup, Japan has only advanced to the knockout stage twice — when they co-hosted the tournament in 2002 and in 2010.

Aguirre's first task will be to prepare Japan for the 2015 AFC Asian Cup, to be hosted by Australia in January, and then qualification for the 2018 World Cup.

Aguirre's most recent coaching job was with Spanish side Espanyol last season when the team finished 14th in La Liga.

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Re: Asian World Cup struggles

Postby eujin » Mon Jun 30, 2014 10:21 pm

Zaccherroni's done a great job for them despite recent shortcomings. You have to go back to the 1960's to find a manager of their national team with as high a win percentage and over 30 games managed. Despite not showing it in Brazil they're still the best team in Asia by a healthy distance and ought to be firm favourites going into the Asian Cup, despite the host's obvious advantages.

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Re: Asian World Cup struggles

Postby Crane » Tue Jul 01, 2014 7:56 am

Best team, but I'm not as convinced Zaccheroni contributed much to it. Seemed he set them out in a reasonable formation, which is good enough, but when required to make the in-game changes to take them to the next level, he couldn't do it.

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Re: Asian World Cup struggles

Postby eujin » Tue Jul 01, 2014 5:37 pm

Crane wrote:Best team, but I'm not as convinced Zaccheroni contributed much to it. Seemed he set them out in a reasonable formation, which is good enough, but when required to make the in-game changes to take them to the next level, he couldn't do it.

Like bringing on Tadanari Lee in the Asian Cup Final against the Aussies?

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Re: Asian World Cup struggles

Postby Crane » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:21 am

That was one game...at the World Cup his changes were like-for-like and didn't change much.

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Re: Asian World Cup struggles

Postby eujin » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:34 am

Crane wrote:That was one game...at the World Cup his changes were like-for-like and didn't change much.

That one game being the most important game during his tenure. They also got quite a lot of late goals in qualifying; the winner against Oman, equalizer against the Aussies, winner in Iraq. And the late goal that secured them the EAFF Championship against Korea. It's not obvious that all of those are down to the manager, but I don't see much evidence that they were getting outplayed late in matches.

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Re: Asian World Cup struggles

Postby Crane » Fri Jul 04, 2014 8:04 am

Did they get the late winners because Japan got outplayed early on, or is it because those sides bunkered down and Japan eventually broke through? I suspect it's the latter in Asian WCQ.

It's not about being outplayed late in matches, it's how Zac responds when his side gets outplayed early on in matches. And on the evidence of this World Cup, Zac didn't have the tactical nous to take them to the next level.

Surely you would place World Cup matches over the Asian Cup? Even if it's the final? And even if you didn't, I would still place Japan's WC group as a bigger challenge than Osieck's Australia.


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