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Re: 2014 Asian Games

Postby Holyjoe » Fri Oct 03, 2014 5:07 pm

That's some way to win gold.

North Korea's manager was not a happy bunny.. he was interviewed in the wake of their semi-final win complaining about the referees and went on about how the final should be officiated "fairly" so he'd done his bit to pre-empt any controversy. The advantage rule is there for a reason, and it would appear the referee applied it well here. Also, "play to the whistle" is one of the basic facts you're taught on day one at football training so he'd be better blaming his players for stopping when a flag went up but no whistle blew.

N. Korea unhappy with officiating in final
Oct 02, 2014

INCHEON, Oct. 3 (Yonhap) -- In the aftermath of South Korea's thrilling 1-0 victory over North Korea in the men's football gold medal match on Thursday, losing coach Yun Jong-su got into an animated argument with officials.

South Korea's Rim Chang-woo scored in the dying moments of the second extra period. The goal came on the end of a bizarre play, during which a North Korean midfielder, Ri Yong-jik, kept the ball out of the net with his hand.

When South Korean Lee Yong-jae took a shot on a loose ball, Ri deflected the ball with his hand to his right and his teammate So Hyon-uk kicked it out of the harm's way.

Only the ball landed at Rim, who put it right into the wide-open net for the dramatic win.

Though reasons for his argument weren't immediately known, Yun might have been wondering why a penalty wasn't called on Ri for handling the ball.

With the play still developing at the moment of Ri's contact with the ball near the goal line, the referee, Abdullah Dor Mohammad Balideh of Qatar, decided not to blow it dead, using his own discretion to give South Korea the advantage.

Whistling the foul on that particular play would actually have hurt South Korea. If Ri had been called for handling, South Korea would have been awarded a penalty, with no guarantee that its penalty taker would have converted the chance.

If South Korea missed on the penalty, then the match would have gone into the shootout, which would have given North Korea a fighting chance to win the gold medal.

In sum, North Korea would actually have benefited from Ri's handling of the ball. As it was, South Korea scored merely seconds before the final whistle.


A day before his team was to face South Korea for the men's football gold medal at the Asian Games, North Korean head coach Yun said he wanted to see fair officiating in the eagerly anticipated match.

North Korea got past Iraq 1-0 in extra time in the semifinals, and Yun told reporters on Wednesday, the eve of the final, that he hadn't been happy with how the game was called.

Yun also said as long as the referees called the gold medal match fair and square, then the two Koreans would put on a good show.

Given the stirring finish to the match, some 47,000 fans at Munhak Stadium surely got their money's worth.

Yun clearly wasn't among the delighted.

In his post-match press conference, Yun complained that the main referee and an assistant referee made different calls on that scoring play.

"Tonight, an assistant referee raised his flag (to signal a penalty), but then the main referee kept the play going," the North Korean coach said. "Because of the assistant referees, our players stopped in their tracks."

During the 2010 FIFA World Cup quarterfinals match between Uruguay and Ghana, Uruguayan forward Luis Suarez stopped a Ghanan shot with his hand in the final minute of extra time.

Suarez was sent off and Ghana received a penalty. However, Asamoah Gyan hit the crossbar with the kick and the match went into the shootout. Uruguay prevailed 4-2 on penalties.

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Re: 2014 Asian Games

Postby weka » Fri Oct 03, 2014 6:54 pm

To be fair, many many players would stop at the sign of a flag raise.
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Re: 2014 Asian Games

Postby SteveW » Fri Oct 03, 2014 7:03 pm

weka wrote:To be fair, many many players would stop at the sign of a flag raise.


And if the ref waves play on it'd be their fault if it costs them.

The assistant doesn't stop play, the ref does.
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Re: 2014 Asian Games

Postby SaintsCanada » Fri Oct 03, 2014 7:18 pm

Many players would, but they're all wrong to do so.

Assistants don't play advantage with something they spot outside of their own area. The goal itself is in the ref's area, but the assistant should still flag if he spots an obvious foul that the ref may not have seen. I have seen assistants play advantage with fouls right in front of them, but even that is rare. Usually assistants just flag if they see a foul, and advantage is up to the ref.

The law was clearly applied correctly here. I'm not sure if the ref did it intentionally, or if the ball was just in the net by the time he got his whistle to his lips.

The laws go out of their way to cover this situation. Law 10: The Method of Scoring

"A goal is scored when the whole of the ball passes over the goal line, between the goalposts and under the crossbar, provided that no infringement of the Laws of the Game has been committed previously by the team scoring the goal." (my emphasis)
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Re: 2014 Asian Games

Postby nzfooty » Mon Oct 06, 2014 9:44 am

South Korea men's team finally won the Asian games. First time since 1986 and it puts them first in the all-time medals table (below).
Interesting to note, however that their first two titles (1970 (w/ Burma) and 1978 (w/North Korea)) were shared golds giving them
only two outright wins. No other titles were shared.

Anyway, a bigger challenge awaits at the AFC Asian Cup - a tournament they have not won since 1960 (54 years).

Men
Semi-finals
Iraq 0–1 (aet) North Korea
South Korea 2–0 Thailand

Bronze medal match
Thailand 0–1 Iraq

Final
South Korea 1–0 (aet) North Korea


Women
Semi-finals
Japan 3–0 Vietnam
South Korea 1–2 North Korea

Bronze medal match
South Korea 3–0 Vietnam

Final
North Korea 3–1 Japan

Medal tables

(Team Gold/Silver/Bronze)

Men
South Korea 4/3/3
Iran 4/2/1
India 2/0/1
Myanmar(Burma) 2/0/1
Taiwan 2/0/0
North Korea 1/2/0
Japan 1/1/2
Iraq 1/1/1
Qatar 1/0/0
Uzbekistan 1/0/0
Kuwait 0/2/2
China 0/1/2
Saudia Arabia 0/1/1
Israel 0/1/1
UAE 0/1/0
Malaysia 0/0/2
Indonesia 0/0/1

Women
North Korea 3/2/1
China 3/1/1
Japan 1/4/2
South Korea 0/0/2
Taiwan 0/0/1

Jakarta (Indonesia) will host the 2018 edition.

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Re: 2014 Asian Games

Postby OttoSilver » Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:35 am

What is Indonesia's reputation for hosting things like this? Organisation and promotion cant be worse than it was or these games.
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Re: 2014 Asian Games

Postby nzfooty » Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:30 pm

Waiting for this to morph into one of those "as punishment, the players had electricity applied to their testicles" stories in a month or two....

From the BBC:

North Korea: 'No mention' of football defeat

North Korea's state-controlled media has ignored an embarrassing football defeat at the hands of arch-rivals South Korea, it appears.

Pyongyang's Rodong Sinmun newspaper reported a state of national jubilation at the country's medal success in the Asian Games, but there's been no mention at all of the team's defeat to South Korea in the men's football final. In contrast, there's been an enthusiastic welcome and blanket media coverage for the women's football team, who won gold with a 3-1 victory over Japan at the regional games held in South Korea's Incheon City Seoul-based newspaper Chosun Ilbo reports.


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Re: 2014 Asian Games

Postby SaintsCanada » Wed Oct 08, 2014 2:00 pm

nzfooty wrote:Waiting for this to morph into one of those "as punishment, the players had electricity applied to their testicles" stories in a month or two....

From the BBC:

North Korea: 'No mention' of football defeat

North Korea's state-controlled media has ignored an embarrassing football defeat at the hands of arch-rivals South Korea, it appears.

Pyongyang's Rodong Sinmun newspaper reported a state of national jubilation at the country's medal success in the Asian Games, but there's been no mention at all of the team's defeat to South Korea in the men's football final. In contrast, there's been an enthusiastic welcome and blanket media coverage for the women's football team, who won gold with a 3-1 victory over Japan at the regional games held in South Korea's Incheon City Seoul-based newspaper Chosun Ilbo reports.


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Um, embarrassing? Um, arch-rivals? What is the BBC talking about?

A 1-0 loss in the final minute of extra time is embarrassing? Against a team full of top-class professionals from a much bigger and richer country?

As anybody knows who has lived here for any amount of time, both Koreas' "arch-rivals" in sports are Japan. And most Koreans actually cheer for the other Korean team. Yes, head-to-head, there is of course a rivalry, but a reasonably friendly one if we're honest.
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Re: 2014 Asian Games

Postby OttoSilver » Wed Oct 08, 2014 3:34 pm

Not really the point, but according to a report North Korea published a few years ago China is the best place to live. It is pretty much heaven on earth. It is closely followed by North Korea. South Korea is somewhere in the middle and the USA is basically a tyrannically oppressor of its citizens who struggle for food and clothes. So, I'd say it is a lot embarrassing losing to a lowly country like South Korea. =D
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Re: 2014 Asian Games

Postby nzfooty » Wed Oct 15, 2014 2:53 pm

Not sure this is really news, but...

Asiad brings Incheon to brink of bankruptcy

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Re: 2014 Asian Games

Postby Sampo » Wed Oct 15, 2014 6:42 pm

Incheon has been in poor financial shape for years and had forced furlough for employees last year. They keep building and building and keep saying "JOBSJOBSJOBS" and maybe it will work out? ;)


Pyeongchang is officially hosting the 2018 Olympics, but Gangneung is hosting all of the ice events and will be the actual hub for the games. Alpensia resort is in Pyeongchang county, but its a long ways from the actual town of Pyeongchang. With the raising costs and demands of the IOC, its no wonder that Oslo withdrew its bid.

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Re: 2014 Asian Games

Postby OttoSilver » Sat Oct 18, 2014 8:31 pm

Wonder when people are going to stop bidding for the football World Cup. You make not money before the event, are forced to change your laws in ways that endanger your own citizens during the event and have nothing to show but unused stadiums after the event. Countries like Qatar, with more money and ambition that they know what to do with don't mind spending the money as a large marketing exercise, but for pretty much everyone else in the world that is not a great way to go about things. (Incheon, I'm looking at you!)
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Re: 2014 Asian Games

Postby SaintsCanada » Sat Oct 18, 2014 9:04 pm

OttoSilver wrote:Wonder when people are going to stop bidding for the football World Cup. You make not money before the event, are forced to change your laws in ways that endanger your own citizens during the event and have nothing to show but unused stadiums after the event. Countries like Qatar, with more money and ambition that they know what to do with don't mind spending the money as a large marketing exercise, but for pretty much everyone else in the world that is not a great way to go about things. (Incheon, I'm looking at you!)


Incheon is actually in a position though to build their future economy on trade/commerce/transport with the rest of Asia. So, if there's any city that it makes sense to bid for something like this to increase name recognition, it is Incheon. However, they could have done a lot better job for a lot cheaper.
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Re: 2014 Asian Games

Postby OttoSilver » Sat Oct 18, 2014 9:42 pm

I understand the intentions of the name recognition idea, but honestly, even if many people did attend and watch the games, who would have cared beyond the confines of sport? Why would it work for Incheon when it doesn't work for other cities, who hosted bigger events? History is not on the side of the hosts of tournaments and games.
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Re: 2014 Asian Games

Postby SteveW » Sat Oct 18, 2014 9:48 pm

Yeah to be honest hosting the Olympics or WC only really makes sense for up and coming/2nd tier cities that want to build their name recognition. No point hosting if you are New York, Paris, Tokyo, London, etc.

I'm not sure how high profile the Asian Games are and whether they make much impact on economic development vs the amount you need to spend to host them.

From a football point of view I also wonder how much positive exposure the ACL gives club sponsors - it might almost be worth Hyundai and Samsung sponsoring K-League teams to get exposure elsewhere in Asia through the ACL but on the other hand they probably get more bang for their buck being European shirt sponsors.
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