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Re: 2012 AFC CL Group Stage

Postby eujin » Thu May 17, 2012 12:23 am

Interview with Hwang Sun-hong, Pohang coach;

지쿠, 조란, 김다솔, 이명주 등 주전 선수들을 한국에 남겨두고 온 이유는?
앞으로 상당히 많은 경기가 남아 있고 지금까지도 여러 경기를 치른 후에 원정을 왔다. 체력적 부담 등 여러 가지를 고려했을 때 다음 K리그 경기를 준비하는 것이 필요해서 제외했다. 다른 선수들이 그 선수들의 역할을 충분히 해줄 것이라는 확신을 갖고 있다.

I have to say I'm angry, actually I'm angry. I had a feeling this day would arrive http://forum.rokfootball.com/viewtopic.php?p=32342#p32342, well here we are. What's the point of resting Jiku if you're not going to play him anyway? :finger

It's a long season I can understand, so some rotation is needed, but getting yourself knocked out of the ACL just to save a few games, and hovering dangerously close to missing the top eight cut, just doesn't seem worth it. You should probably translate the question above as "what's the reason for leaving key players in Korea?" but you could equally ask "is there conceivably any possible reason?".

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Re: 2012 AFC CL Group Stage

Postby Suwonesque » Thu May 17, 2012 1:50 am

All four Korean teams could have reached to the knockout stage very easily. They made it hard for themselves.
Not a good day for K-League, but I still believe Seongnam and Ulsan will do great job in the knock-out stages. Lots of talents in both teams, if they take ACL seriously and balance the games between K-League and ACL then at least one of them could reach the final.

I never thought Pohang and Jeonbuk would be knocked out from group stages. It is like both Manchester teams are knocked out from UEFA Champions league group stages.
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Re: 2012 AFC CL Group Stage

Postby eujin » Thu May 17, 2012 2:17 am

Suwonesque wrote:I never thought Pohang and Jeonbuk would be knocked out from group stages. It is like both Manchester teams are knocked out from UEFA Champions league group stages.

Although if you'd known that they were going to be leaving Rooney and Ferdinand in Manchester you might have guessed something was up.

There are 22 players in the Pohang squad who have played 90 minutes or more in the ACL this year, in 7 matches. For Bunyodkur it's only 15. There are no injuries in the squad, Hwang says so himself, not even a niggle, no suspensions either. Back when Pariahs was the boss, they had a reserve team that could've qualified for the K-League playoffs. Not any more.

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Re: 2012 AFC CL Group Stage

Postby anamerican » Thu May 17, 2012 6:55 am

Something nutty about posco teams not being higher in the tables this year...
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Re: 2012 AFC CL Group Stage

Postby anamerican » Thu May 17, 2012 8:39 am

2012 Round 16 One Match
(2013 Round 16 will be home/away)

22.5.2012
AL JAZIRA 10 (UAE) : AL AHLI 6 (KSA)
FOOLAD SEPAHAN 4 (IRN) : ESTEGHLAL 3 (IRN)
23.5.2012
AL ITTIHAD 4 (KSA) : PIROOZI ATHLETIC 5 (IRN)
AL HILAL 7 (KSA) : BANIYAS 2 (UAE)

29.5.2012
ADELAIDE UNITED 2 (AUS) : NAGOYA GRAMPUS 4 (JPN)
SEONGNAM ILHWA CHUNMA 5 (KOR) : BUNYODKOR 7 (UZB)
30.5.2012
GUANGZHOU EVERGRANDE 8 (CHN) : FC TOKYO 6 (JPN)
ULSAN HYUNDAI 7 (KOR) : KASHIWA REYSOL 7 (JPN)

The numbers are goals allowed for each team.
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Re: 2012 AFC CL Group Stage

Postby nzfooty » Thu May 17, 2012 2:17 pm

These (relatively) poor performances from Korean teams may reflect that with the new league structure (relegation, no play-offs) means that each point in the league is much more valuable now. You cannot finish 6th in the league, 20 points behind the first placed team, and then hope to still win the title.

Group E

Gamba Osaka 0 – 2 Adelaide United
Bunyodkor (Uzbekistan) 1 – 0 Pohang Steelers

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Adelaide United     6  4-1-1  7:2  +5  13
Bunyodkor           6  3-1-2  8:7  +1  10
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Pohang Steelers     6  3-0-3  6:4  +2   9
Gamba Osaka         6  1-0-5  5:13 -8   3


Group F

Brisbane Roar 1 – 1 Beijing Guoan
Ulsan 1 – 0 FC Tokyo

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Ulsan         6  4-2-0   11:7  +4  14
FC Tokyo      6  3-2-1   12:6  +6  11
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Beijing Guoan 6  0-3-3    6:11 -5   3
Brisbane      6  0-3-3    6:11 -5   3

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Re: 2012 AFC CL Group Stage

Postby Suwonesque » Thu May 17, 2012 7:03 pm

Maybe Pohang had one eye in the domestic championship, but Jeonbuk tried hard to get in but was not good enough. Kashiwa deserved.
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Re: 2012 AFC CL Group Stage

Postby eujin » Thu May 17, 2012 10:03 pm

Suwonesque wrote:Maybe Pohang had one eye in the domestic championship

...one blind eye.

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Re: 2012 AFC CL Group Stage

Postby Pikey » Fri May 18, 2012 12:44 am

nzfooty wrote:These (relatively) poor performances from Korean teams may reflect that with the new league structure (relegation, no play-offs) means that each point in the league is much more valuable now. You cannot finish 6th in the league, 20 points behind the first placed team, and then hope to still win the title.


Possibly, but Pohang and Seongnam have lost as many as they have won in the league, but one has qualified and one hasnt. Ulsan have had a good start and they're through, Jeonbuk have had good and bad spells and they're out. There's not really a pattern there
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Re: 2012 AFC CL Group Stage

Postby nzfooty » Fri May 18, 2012 2:38 am

Pikey wrote:
nzfooty wrote:These (relatively) poor performances from Korean teams may reflect that with the new league structure (relegation, no play-offs) means that each point in the league is much more valuable now. You cannot finish 6th in the league, 20 points behind the first placed team, and then hope to still win the title.


Possibly, but Pohang and Seongnam have lost as many as they have won in the league, but one has qualified and one hasnt. Ulsan have had a good start and they're through, Jeonbuk have had good and bad spells and they're out. There's not really a pattern there


I agree that it is far too early to claim that there is any sort of pattern here. We need couple more years of a similar set-up before we can claim that some trends
are emerging.

That said, it is the first time in a while that more J.League clubs have qualified for the knock-out stage than those from the K-League. One thing you occasional heard from people was how much better the J.League is (subjective judgement), but that was not always reflected in the Champions League results.

Also, while the table is an indicator as to what teams might do in the continental tournaments, how they allocate their resources is also dependent on the total pool of resources they have, as well as the value judgements they place on various competitions. For some it is the Champions League, for others the national league (and for the few special ones the league cup, but as King Kenny found out recently this 1980s world-view is not exactly universal these days).

However, definitely agree with you that there is no clear pattern here just yet. Far better to wait and see how things develop and base any strong opinions on that than create some theory and cherry pick results to fit it.

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Re: 2012 AFC CL Group Stage

Postby anamerican » Fri May 18, 2012 8:10 am

I'm sure you all know Guangzhou Evergrande won their group (only chinese team to qualify for R16) and promptly sacked their South Korean coach for Marcello Lippi.

I wonder if Lee would like to coach Daejeon?

What a thrill it would be to have Seongnam knock Marcello Lippi out of the AFC CL at Tancheon.
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Re: 2012 AFC CL Group Stage

Postby Frontierman » Fri May 18, 2012 8:48 pm

Adelaide playing like Man City & San Antonio rolled into 1. :lol:
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Re: 2012 AFC CL Group Stage

Postby nzfooty » Fri May 18, 2012 9:52 pm

nzfooty wrote:Just have been looking at the groups in the western part of the continent and must say that I'm not exactly displeased by the poor performances of the Qatari teams. Al-Sadd SC, the defending champions are not in it, as they failed to obtain a place through the domestic competitions but the four teams that have made it have are currently ranked 3rd or 4th in their respective groups.
Interesting to to note their poor record against UAE's teams - 3 losses and 1 draw


...and in the end there will be no teams from Qatar in the knock-out stages.

Their record against UAE teams continued to be woeful. The eight matches ended in 6 UAE wins, 1 draw, 1 UAE loss

In the knock-out stage there are 3 teams from both Saudi Arabia and Iran, and 2 teams from UAE


Group A



18 April

Nasaf Qarshi (Uzbekistan) 0 – 1 (Qatar) Al-Rayyan
Al-Jazira (United Arab Emirates) 1 – 1 (Iran) Esteghlal


2 May

Esteghlal (Iran) 3 – 0 (Qatar) Al-Rayyan
Al-Jazira (United Arab Emirates) 4 – 1 (Uzbekistan) Nasaf Qarshi


16 May

Nasaf Qarshi (Uzbekistan) 0 – 2 (Iran) Esteghlal
Al-Rayyan (Qatar) 3 – 4 (United Arab Emirates) Al-Jazira


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Al-Jazira     6   5-1-0    18:10  +8   16
Esteghlal     6   3-2-1     8:3   +5   11
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Al-Rayyan     6   2-0-4     9:12  -3    6
Nasaf Qarshi  6   0-1-5     4:14  -10   1




Group B


17 April

Baniyas (United Arab Emirates) 0 – 0 (Saudi Arabia) Al-Ittihad
Al-Arabi (Qatar) 0 – 1 (Uzbekistan) Pakhtakor


2 May

Pakhtakor (Uzbekistan) 1 – 2 (Saudi Arabia) Al-Ittihad
Al-Arabi (Qatar) 0 – 4 (United Arab Emirates) Baniyas


16 May

Baniyas (United Arab Emirates) 2 – 0 (Uzbekistan) Pakhtakor
Al-Ittihad (Saudi Arabia) 3 – 2 (Qatar) Al-Arabi



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Al-Ittihad    6   5-1-0    13: 4  +9   16
Baniyas       6   3-2-1     9: 2  +7   11
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Pakhtakor     6   2-1-3     6:10  -4    7
Al-Arabi      6   0-0-6     4:16  -12   0



Group C

18 April

Lekhwiya (Qatar) 1 – 0 (Iran) Sepahan
Al-Ahli (Saudi Arabia) 3 – 1 (United Arab Emirates) Al-Nasr


1 May

Al-Nasr (United Arab Emirates) 0 – 3 (Iran) Sepahan
Al-Ahli (Saudi Arabia) 3 – 0 (Qatar) Lekhwiya


15 May

Sepahan (Iran) 2 – 1 (Saudi Arabia) Al-Ahli
Lekhwiya (Qatar) 1 – 2 (United Arab Emirates) Al-Nasr



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Sepahan       6   4-1-1     9:4   +5   13
Al-Ahli       6   3-1-2    10:6   +4   10
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Al-Nasr       6   2-0-4     6:11  -5    6
Lekhwiya      6   2-0-4     5:9   -4    6



Group D

17 April

Persepolis (Iran) 1 – 1 (Qatar) Al-Gharafa
Al-Hilal Saudi (Arabia) 2 – 1 (United Arab Emirates) Al-Shabab


1 May

Persepolis (Iran) 0 – 1 (Saudi Arabia) Al-Hilal
Al-Gharafa (Qatar) 2 – 1 (United Arab Emirates) Al-Shabab


15 May

Al-Shabab (United Arab Emirates) 1 – 3 (Iran) Persepolis
Al-Hilal (Saudi Arabia) 2 – 1 (Qatar) Al-Gharafa



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Al-Hilal      6   3-3-0    10: 7  +3   12
Persepolis    6   3-2-1    14: 5  +9   11
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Al-Gharafa    6   1-3-2     7:10  -3    6
Al-Shabab     6   0-2-4     5:14  -9    2



Round of 16


22 May

Al-Jazira (United Arab Emirates) v (Saudi Arabia) Al-Ahli
Sepahan (Iran) v (Iran) Esteghlal

23 May

Al-Ittihad (Saudi Arabia) v (Iran) Persepolis
Al-Hilal (Saudi Arabia) v (United Arab Emirates) Baniyas

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2012 AFC CL Group Stage

Postby nzfooty » Fri May 18, 2012 11:13 pm

2012 AFC CL - knockout stages thread is here:
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