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A-League 2011/12

Postby nzfooty » Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:19 am

Just a remainder how things have finished last season:

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Pos  Team                      P   W   D   L   F   A   GD   Pts
  1  Brisbane Roar FC          30  18  11   1  58  26   32   65
  2  Central Coast Mariners    30  16   9   5  50  31   19   57
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  3  Adelaide United           30  15   5  10  51  36   15   50
  4  Gold Coast United         30  12  10   8  40  32    8   46
  5  Melbourne Victory         30  11  10   9  45  39    6   43
  6  Wellington Phoenix        30  12   5  13  39  41   -2   41
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  7  Newcastle Jets            30   9   8  13  29  33   -4   35
  8  Melbourne Heart           30   8  11  11  32  42  -10   35
  9  Sydney FC                 30   8  10  12  35  40   -5   34
10  Perth Glory                30   5   8  17  27  54  -27   23
11  North Queensland Fury FC   30   4   7  19  28  60  -32   19


Grand Final
Suncorp Stadium
Attendance: 50,168
Brisbane Roar 2 – 2 Central Coast Mariners
Penalties: 4-2

2012 AFC Champions League qualifiers:
* Brisbane Roar as A-League premiers and champions (1st appearance)
* Central Coast Mariners as A-League runners-up (2nd appearance)
Mariners played in 2009 CL with the following results:
Central Coast Mariners 0 – 0 Pohang Steelers
Tianjin Teda (China) 2 – 2 Central Coast Mariners
Central Coast Mariners 0 – 5 Kawasaki Frontale (Japan)
Kawasaki Frontale (Japan) 2 – 1 Central Coast Mariners
Pohang Steelers 3 – 2 Central Coast Mariners
Central Coast Mariners 0 – 1 Tianjin Teda (China)

Pohang Steelers went on to win the 2009 edition.

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Re: A-League 2011/12

Postby nzfooty » Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:31 am

Regular Season

2011-12 will see each team will play 27 games, host 13 and play 1 regional game over 25 weeks.

N.B. North Queensland Fury were cut from the competition by the governing body, Football Federation Australia, due to financial reasons.


Play-offs

Top-6 qualify for the play-offs


Week 1

8 October
Newcastle Jets 3 - 2 Melbourne Heart
Melbourne Victory 0 - 0 Sydney FC
Brisbane Roar 1 - 0 Central Coast Mariners

9 October
Gold Coast United 1 - 1 Wellington Phoenix
Perth Glory 1 - 0 Adelaide United

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Re: A-League 2011/12

Postby just because » Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:41 pm

Kewell already making a big impact on crowds...biggest regular season crowd for a couple of seasons last week.

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Re: A-League 2011/12

Postby nzfooty » Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:13 pm

just because wrote:Kewell already making a big impact on crowds...biggest regular season crowd for a couple of seasons last week.


Not making an impact on the scorelines yet though, with Victory yet to get a goal...

Week 2

October 14
Adelaide United 1 - 0 Melbourne Victory

October 15
Central Coast Mariners 1 - 1 Gold Coast United FC
Sydney FC 0 - 2 Brisbane Roar FC

October 16
Wellington Phoenix 2 - 0 Newcastle Jets
Melbourne Heart 1 - 2 Perth Glory

Two goals for Perth from that renowned sinophile Shane Smeltz.

1 Brisbane Roar 2 +3 6
2 Perth Glory 2 +2 6
3 Wellington Phoenix 2 +2 4
4 Adelaide United 2 0 3
5 Newcastle Jets 2 −1 3
6 Gold Coast United 2 0 2
7 Central Coast Mariners 2 −1 1
8 Melbourne Victory 2 −1 1
9 Sydney FC 2 −2 1
10 Melbourne Heart 2 −2 0

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Re: A-League 2011/12

Postby eujin » Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:50 pm

Has the A-League made any official decision to ignore relegation for the meanwhile unlike the K-League? What is the AFC response likely to be and would Aussie clubs be happy to perhaps drop out of the ACL?

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Re: A-League 2011/12

Postby sjc_three » Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:16 pm

eujin wrote:Has the A-League made any official decision to ignore relegation for the meanwhile unlike the K-League? What is the AFC response likely to be and would Aussie clubs be happy to perhaps drop out of the ACL?

Hadn't thought of that. That'd be a right bummer for Kenny, just as he's about to move out there. :(

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Re: A-League 2011/12

Postby nzfooty » Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:38 pm

Round 3

October 21
Brisbane Roar FC 3 - 0 Gold Coast United FC

October 22
Adelaide United 1 - 2 Sydney FC
Melbourne Victory 0 - 0 Melbourne Heart

October 23
Newcastle Jets 1 - 0 Central Coast Mariners
Perth Glory 1 - 0 Wellington Phoenix

1 Brisbane Roar +6 9
2 Perth Glory +3 9

3 Newcastle Jets 0 6
4 Wellington Phoenix +1 4
5 Sydney -1 4
6 Adelaide United -1 3

7 Melbourne Victory -1 2
8 Gold Coast United -3 2
9 Melbourne Heart -2 1
10 Central Coast -2 1

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Re: A-League 2011/12

Postby nzfooty » Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:46 pm

sjc_three wrote:
eujin wrote:Has the A-League made any official decision to ignore relegation for the meanwhile unlike the K-League? What is the AFC response likely to be and would Aussie clubs be happy to perhaps drop out of the ACL?

Hadn't thought of that. That'd be a right bummer for Kenny, just as he's about to move out there. :(


In 2012 they will still be there, but not sure what will happen beyond.

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Re: A-League 2011/12

Postby Perth_Tom » Sun Oct 23, 2011 10:37 pm

A second division of professional football in Australia (allowing for relegation and promotion) is highly unlikely in the short to medium future. The A-League is barely struggling to survive as it is, with most owners underwriting their team to the tune of a few million $AUD each year and the FFA also being required to administer clubs from time to time when their owners pull out.

If Korea can't support two divisions of professional football with their population of 50million, compact size and comparatively favorable market conditions, then there is no way that Australia is able to do it. Don't forget that the A-League is competing with AFL, NRL and Super Rubgy.

The FFA will arrange an FFA Cup that includes the various State League champions, and this will be a nod towards what the AFC is trying to achieve. I think the existence of Wellington Phoenix in the A-League is a bigger threat to Australia's AFC Champions League places.

Anyway....it's good to see Perth Glory finally starting a season on a winning note!

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Re: A-League 2011/12

Postby njs » Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:15 am

Two divisions can't happen so instructions from up high mean diddly shit. Their response back should be, yep sweet, we'll have two divisions and you guys can give us 20 million dollars a year to fund it..... what? you haven't got the money for that to happen? Well neither do we so f&%$ off.

The A-League 'clubs' are licences granted by the league to cities more or less. They aren't local footie clubs. They are like franchises that have been given the right to compete in the A-League. No owner will touch them if there's a chance they get relegated to play at local parks v amateur sides. They'd just pick up their ball and leave.
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Re: A-League 2011/12

Postby nzfooty » Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:40 am

Yup, as the two posters wrote above, difficult to see relegation in Australia. Same model used as in the US, New Zealand and South Korea.
This top-to-bottom, rigid and authoritarian imposition of rules reflects badly on the AFC, not any particular individual member. Asian and Oceania nations represent a huge diversity of climates, cultures and geographies. To attempt to have them act in the same way is really daft. In some cases it is like trying to square a peg in a round hole.

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Re: A-League 2011/12

Postby njs » Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:30 pm

Exactly. In Aussie it's maybe the 4th most popular sport and in NZ around about the same. Not to mention that Aussie is a huge country. How you would expect a multi divisioned structure to operate where amateur teams or near enough are travelling thousands of kilometres every weekend to play each other in front of next to nobody is beyond me. And the winner gets promoted to the A-League where they can lose to Brisbane at home in front of 400 people by 12 to nil.

At best they could have a two division comp in 30 years and I think that's pushing into fantasy territory.

In NZ we have a national comp which has 8 pretty much amateur teams (2 in Auckland, 1 in Wellington, 1 in Christchurch, 1 in the Waikato region, 1 in the Manawatu region, 1 in the Hawkes Bay region and 1 in Otago). Aside from that we have some regional leagues because those sides can't afford to be travelling the length of the country to play sides. I suppose it's a bit like the conference leagues in England.

The idea that countries like Aussie and NZ could run multi tiered professional competitions is giggly shit. Even Rugby League which is a more supported sport in NZ only has a token domestic comp at the end of the year and our rugby comp for the moment has ONE professional division split into 2 sections but still playing each other along with a fairly amateur Heartland competition for the small provinces. And that's our BIG sport.

Even Aussie doesn't have aproper professional rugby comp of it';s own.
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Re: A-League 2011/12

Postby eujin » Mon Oct 24, 2011 6:16 pm

You all make it sound like it's impossible, inconceivable even.

There's already a nationwide youth league for A-League players up to age 21, so presumably there's money available for jetting teams around the country to play in front of nobody. There were a couple of A-League teams in Auckland and North Queensland that might be resuscitated, plus a couple of clubs like South Melbourne and Wollongong who've already qualified for earlier World Club Cups. Places like Canberra and Tassy might support a team too. Combine the youth league with a couple of established state teams, a few cities that have previously had A-League football and a couple of new places and you might be able to make something if you aimed say for the 8+8 split that seems to be happening in Korea. It wouldn't have to be fully professional either. Several of the top Euro leagues sending teams to the UEFA Champions League aren't fully professional - although several of them are probably technically bankrupt as well.

Part of the reason the AFC are pushing this is because they're idiots, but part of the reason is also to grow the game by taking it out to more places. The long term aim would be for football to not remain the fourth most popular sport. Somebody at least (I just found) seems to be thinking about it;

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/asias-demands-would-transform-the-competition/story-e6frecj3-1226172278964

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Re: A-League 2011/12

Postby eujin » Tue Oct 25, 2011 5:06 pm

I've been thinking about this a lot for some reason. How about this as a minimum starting point:

Take the 8-9 state champions and play a knockout finals series to crown a winner. Then, provided that winner meets whatever financial infrastructure criteria you want to impose, have that winner play a best of two/three/four match series against the bottom A-League team for a place in the A-League.

This connects your lower leagues with the A-League, which potentially might satisfy the AFC and lets you build things for the future. It wouldn't mean too many extra games in front of nobody, could presumably be fit into the calendar and would still give the A-League franchises plenty of opportunity of a return on their investment - presumably the better funded club wins on average if you play enough games head-to-head, so if best of two is too risky, make it best of four with two home games each. You might even get a TV deal for the state-of-origin-esque finals series.

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Re: A-League 2011/12

Postby nzfooty » Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:59 am

October 28
Brisbane Roar FC 7 - 1 Adelaide United

October 29
Central Coast Mariners 2 - 1 Perth Glory
Melbourne Heart 1 - 1 Sydney FC


October 30
Wellington Phoenix 1 - 2 Melbourne Victory
Gold Coast United FC 3 - 1 Newcastle Jets


After 4 rounds...

1 Brisbane Roar +12 12
2 Perth Glory +2 9

3 Newcastle Jets -2 6
4 Melbourne Victory 0 5
5 Gold Coast United -1 5
6 Sydney FC -1 5

7 Wellington Phoenix 0 4
8 Central Coast Utd -1 4
9 Adelaide United -7 3
10 Melbourne Heart -2 2


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