New Zealand v Korea B (1976)

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New Zealand v Korea B (1976)

Postby nzfooty » Mon Sep 28, 2015 3:08 pm

I would be very grateful if someone could throw some light on this wee problem I have:
All the records I have seen until recently have shown that NZ played South Korea's B team on September 28, 1976 in Daegu.
The two met previously in the President's Cup 1976, but apparently the Daegu match was an additional friendly (which is a bit odd).

However, recently discovered that the additional friendly was actually against "Chungmu University". Which University would that
correspond with today?

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Re: New Zealand v Korea B (1976)

Postby Holyjoe » Mon Sep 28, 2015 6:59 pm

Hmm that sounds like a simple case of mistranslation.. The Korean national set-up throughout the 1970s to early 1990s consisted of an A team and B team, the A team of course playing the bulk of the 'proper' internationals and the B team essentially squaring off against the visiting club sides and the like.

The A team was more commonly known as Hwarang (화랑, Flowering Knights) team and the B team was Chungmu (충무, a name with Joseon military connections I think) team.

I would imagine then that the article writer or sub editor has been given the Chungmu name for what was essentially Korea B and assumed it was a university side and not the second string national team?

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Re: New Zealand v Korea B (1976)

Postby eujin » Mon Sep 28, 2015 8:31 pm

Is this the tournament we are talking about?

http://footballk.net/mediawiki/%EC%A0%9C6%ED%9A%8C_%EB%B0%95%EB%8C%80%ED%86%B5%EB%A0%B9%EC%BB%B5_%EC%9F%81%ED%83%88_%EA%B5%AD%EC%A0%9C%EC%B6%95%EA%B5%AC%EB%8C%80%ED%9A%8C

It looks like Chungmu beat New Zealand 1-0 on the 25th in the fourth place play-off of the Presidents' Cup. Then they must have had a rematch? on the 28th? If Huh Jung-moo was playing for both times it makes sense that the team was the same.

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Re: New Zealand v Korea B (1976)

Postby nzfooty » Mon Sep 28, 2015 9:07 pm

Holyjoe wrote:Hmm that sounds like a simple case of mistranslation.. The Korean national set-up throughout the 1970s to early 1990s consisted of an A team and B team, the A team of course playing the bulk of the 'proper' internationals and the B team essentially squaring off against the visiting club sides and the like.

The A team was more commonly known as Hwarang (화랑, Flowering Knights) team and the B team was Chungmu (충무, a name with Joseon military connections I think) team.

I would imagine then that the article writer or sub editor has been given the Chungmu name for what was essentially Korea B and assumed it was a university side and not the second string national team?


Many thanks Holyjoe. That does add up (and it is also a great bit trivia I had no idea of -- when is the book coming out?). While I thought playing the Bs again was a bit odd, this may have been contractually pre-established, before the late rearrangements occurred (RSSSF source below). And it probably would've been equally odd if the people putting the bible of NZ soccer (An Association with Soccer - Barry Smith & Tony Hilton in 1990, to celebrate 100 years of the NZFA) had not picked up on the fact that it was a university.

The source was the DB Annual. I think I had sent you the scans from the New Zealand Soccer Annual (NZSA) for this tournament a few years ago. The DB Annual coexisted with the NZSA for couple years. Anyone interested in reading the DB's coverage of the tournament can click here (scroll down and look for the President's Cup (in bold writing) ) .

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Re: New Zealand v Korea B (1976)

Postby nzfooty » Mon Sep 28, 2015 9:13 pm

eujin wrote:Is this the tournament we are talking about?

http://footballk.net/mediawiki/%EC%A0%9C6%ED%9A%8C_%EB%B0%95%EB%8C%80%ED%86%B5%EB%A0%B9%EC%BB%B5_%EC%9F%81%ED%83%88_%EA%B5%AD%EC%A0%9C%EC%B6%95%EA%B5%AC%EB%8C%80%ED%9A%8C

It looks like Chungmu beat New Zealand 1-0 on the 25th in the fourth place play-off of the Presidents' Cup. Then they must have had a rematch? on the 28th? If Huh Jung-moo was playing for both times it makes sense that the team was the same.


Thanks eujin. Exactly, the fact that Huh played in both matches alerted me to the fact that something might not be right (that said he did fit in the age range). I then couldn't find a corresponding university. Your link also shows the 화랑 v 충무 distinction.
An English language source for this tournament can be found here (RSSSF) and here (wiki).

DB's coverage of the tournament can be seen here (scroll down and look for the President's Cup (in bold writing) ) .

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Re: New Zealand v Korea B (1976)

Postby Martyrs Forever » Fri Oct 02, 2015 12:04 pm

I only ever post on the K3 thread but this was too interesting.....

Am I right in saying that there was no winner? The Brazilian team shared it with the Korea A team? Brilliant!

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Re: New Zealand v Korea B (1976)

Postby nzfooty » Sat Oct 03, 2015 9:01 am

Martyrs Forever wrote:I only ever post on the K3 thread but this was too interesting.....

Am I right in saying that there was no winner? The Brazilian team shared it with the Korea A team? Brilliant!


Yeah. I think this is the first time we have posted in the same thread. Nice to meet you. :smt006


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