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Hong Myung-bo resigns

Postby SteveW » Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:20 am

Assume that HMB didn't resign today as the Korea Times seems to think he was planning to?

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Re: Korean team arrives home

Postby OttoSilver » Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:42 am

Australia will like the gift. It might make them feel better about the Ashes being in England now.
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Re: Korean team arrives home

Postby Holyjoe » Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:51 am

SteveW wrote:Assume that HMB didn't resign today as the Korea Times seems to think he was planning to?

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/sp ... 60736.html


Yep looks like he's going to resign - it's all over the Korean media as well. Presumably the Korea Times article is for publication in the morning's newspaper and they've put it up early, the press conference is to be at 10am on Thursday 10th to announce his resignation. Surprised by that, or at least that nobody was able to persuade him to talk him out of it and to stick around for the Asian Cup too. Perhaps he's decided that as he's clearly not got the full backing of the KFA bigwigs and there's been one hell of a public backlash then he'd rather get out now.

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Re: Korean team arrives home

Postby eujin » Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:27 am

If he offers his resignation, they should turn him down.

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Re: Korean team arrives home

Postby Holyjoe » Thu Jul 10, 2014 7:55 am

Nat'l football coach Hong Myung-bo to resign after winless World Cup: official
2014/07/10

SEOUL, July 10 (Yonhap) -- Hong Myung-bo, the embattled head coach of the South Korean men's national football team, is set to announce his resignation from the post on Thursday in the wake of the country's winless World Cup, a senior official from the sport's national governing body said.

The Korea Football Association (KFA) said Wednesday evening that Hong would hold a press conference the following morning at its Seoul headquarters, without specifying what the coach would discuss. The KFA official, requesting anonymity, said Hong will step down from the job.

"Coach Hong has expressed his intention to resign," the official said. "He will talk further about the decision at the press conference (at 10 a.m. Thursday)."

Hong's announcement comes a week after the KFA gave the coach a vote of confidence despite mounting pressure on him. South Korea crashed out of Group H at the World Cup in Brazil with two losses and a draw, for its first winless campaign since 1998.

At a press conference last Thursday, Huh Jung-moo, a vice president of the KFA, offered support for the beleaguered coach, revealing that Hong had offered to quit immediately after the World Cup but the KFA had persuaded him to stay on for the duration of his contract, which runs through the Asian Cup tournament in January.

The KFA's decision to retain Hong, however, did little to assuage the public's anger, as Huh repeatedly sidestepped questions on who will take responsibility for South Korea's early exit from the World Cup if Hong stayed.

Then on Monday, a local media report said Hong, weeks before announcing the national team roster, had visited an expensive neighborhood just south of Seoul on a few occasions, hoping to buy land there, and signed off on his purchase on May 15 during the team's training camp. The report further upset fans who believed Hong should have been concentrating on the national team's World Cup preparation.

The KFA official said the recent report might have been the final blow.

"I understand Hong and his family were quite devastated by criticisms directed at their private lives," the official said. "Hong told us that he could no longer carry on as the coach."


Hong faced heat for some controversial selections for his 23-man World Cup squad. He chose forward Park Chu-young as his striker, though Park had played sparingly at the club level in England and had battled nagging injuries for most of the year.

Park appeared in two matches and recorded just one shot, and left Brazil as a symbol of all that went wrong for South Korea.

This year's World Cup was essentially the first failure for Hong, who'd so far led a charmed life in football.

Hong competed in four World Cups, from 1990 to 2002, as a defender and was an assistant coach at the 2006 World Cup. He retired with 135 international caps, the most among any South Korean, and captained the 2002 World Cup team that made a historic run to the semifinals on home soil.

As a head coach, he led South Korea to the quarterfinals at the FIFA U-20 World Cup in 2009, the country's best showing in 18 years. Then in 2012, Hong coached the country to the bronze medal at the London Olympics, South Korea's first-ever Olympic football medal.

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Re: Korean team arrives home

Postby SaintsCanada » Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:02 am

Don't like the timing with the Asian Cup coming so soon, but there does have to be accountability. His starting 11s and substitutions were indefensible.
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Re: Korean team arrives home

Postby theglobalgnome » Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:30 pm

SaintsCanada wrote:Don't like the timing with the Asian Cup coming so soon, but there does have to be accountability. His starting 11s and substitutions were indefensible.


Yes, bizarre timing, especially with the Asian Cup so close. It's been said on these pages before how difficult it can be for Asian teams to attract top coaches when the World Cup is so far away, so surely Hwang SunHong is the favourite.

Something I felt at the time, and have continued to believe since, is that the KFA were too quick to get rid of Cho KwangRae. While his team never did live up to his early hyperbole- nor were they ever likely to- about mimicking Spain, but they certainly played more entertaining football than anything served by his successors. I had a look back over Korea's results between SA 2010 and Brazil 2014 and in the 50 matches played, Cho's record was much better than that of Choi or Hong (I used Soccerway for the result and the calculations are my own, so they might not be 100% accurate. The general trends can't be too far out, though).

Manager Played Win% Loss% GF GA
Cho KR 21 57 19 38 20
Choi KH 13 46 38 23 20
Hong MB 16 31 50 15 21

Cho's stats are boosted by big wins over minnows India and Lebannon, but his record in friendlies against non-Asian teams is also better than the other two, including wins over Nigeria, Honduras, Serbia, and Ghana (in fairness, Choi only played three non-Asian teams and his two losses were against Spain and Croatia). Also, only Cho only lost two of his 12 competitive fixtures and one of those defeats was on penalties against Japan (the other the loss in Beirut that cost him his job). Hong's numbers, of course, look even worse when you add the three group games in Brazil.

Obviously there is no exact science to picking the right manager and very few of the teams in Brazil have had the same man in charge for the whole four-year World Cup cycle (although one that did, Germany, are in the final. Sabella has been Argentina boss since early 2011, too). With hindsight, given there was so much attacking football played in Brazil, at least early-on, it would have been interesting to see how things played out if the KFA had been brave enough to stick with Cho.

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Hong Myung-bo resigns

Postby OttoSilver » Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:16 pm

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Re: Forced Change

Postby eujin » Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:48 pm

You've got a guy who just turned the U-23 team into a machine and with a lot of those talented players graduating into the full national team you hound out the guy who knows how to work with them because of what I can only call "I-watch-football-once-every-four-years-ism".

So who has a chance to take over?

Hwang Sun-hong?
Yoon Jung-Hwan?
Scolari?
Zaccheroni?
Pariahs?
Senol Gunes?
Right now I really hope they appoint Stuart Pearce even though it looks like he just signed with Forest.

I hope they win the Asian Cup. I really do. But the advantage of hiring a foreign manager is they'll have an obvious scapegoat to blame when they don't. Wash, rinse and repeat.

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Re: Forced Change

Postby SaintsCanada » Thu Jul 10, 2014 6:14 pm

eujin wrote:You've got a guy who just turned the U-23 team into a machine and with a lot of those talented players graduating into the full national team you hound out the guy who knows how to work with them because of what I can only call "I-watch-football-once-every-four-years-ism".

So who has a chance to take over?

Hwang Sun-hong?
Yoon Jung-Hwan?
Scolari?
Zaccheroni?
Pariahs?
Senol Gunes?
Right now I really hope they appoint Stuart Pearce even though it looks like he just signed with Forest.

I hope they win the Asian Cup. I really do. But the advantage of hiring a foreign manager is they'll have an obvious scapegoat to blame when they don't. Wash, rinse and repeat.


That's exactly why they should have appointed a foreigner when Choi stepped down, with the sole remit of the WC and the Asian Cup. Then you bring in Hong for the full 4 year cycle, and sky's the limit. Sigh.
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Re: Korean team arrives home

Postby eujin » Thu Jul 10, 2014 6:16 pm

Guus Hiddink''s win percentage with the KNT was 35.9%.

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Re: Forced Change

Postby eujin » Thu Jul 10, 2014 6:29 pm

SaintsCanada wrote:That's exactly why they should have appointed a foreigner when Choi stepped down, with the sole remit of the WC and the Asian Cup. Then you bring in Hong for the full 4 year cycle, and sky's the limit. Sigh.

I think we're seeing that the remit of WC and Asian Cup isn't possible in Korea for one single man. Half of the people on the internet complaining about how shit they are don't even realise the Asian Cup exists. It's a bit like they're being run by a multi-headed Roman Abramovich without anyone stumping up the cash. I still think it was the right decision to go with the best Korean coach they could get for the World Cup, just disappointed there isn't a bit more backbone to brush off the criticism. Long term that doesn't bode well for whoever comes in next.

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Re: Forced Change

Postby Evergreen » Thu Jul 10, 2014 7:41 pm

Hong has now pissed a lot of people off by claiming that K-League players are 'B-Class' compared to those based in Europe.
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Re: Hong Myung-bo resigns

Postby Holyjoe » Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:29 pm

Seems a lot of the public anger is coming from video images, cunningly blurred to make them seem even more seedy, of the squad out for dinner and partying quite happily after the Belgium defeat. Not quite up there with Lee Woon-jae and Lee Dong-guk shagging room salon girls but it's got folk up in arms regardless...

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Re: Forced Change

Postby eujin » Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:52 pm

They should ban smiling. Laughing has definitely got to go and cheering at matches for that matter too. Hell, they should just drop football altogether in Korea until they win the World Cup. :smt093


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