2014 WC Group Stage: South Korea v Russia

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Re: 2014 WC Group Stage: South Korea v Russia

Postby nzfooty » Wed Jun 18, 2014 12:42 pm

SaintsCanada wrote:Performance was shaky, but let's be honest it was better than anybody could have expected after the performances over the last couple of years. Drop PCY and JSR, and you're half-way to a decent 11 on tonight's showing.

The draw is a pretty massive result for Korea, all told. If you get 5 points you're almost guaranteed to go through, and Algeria or Belgium B should theoretically be more there for the taking than Russia.


This might end up being one of those groups where the order of the matches is important. Fingers crossed for a Belgium win over Russia... (and obviously Korea over Algeria).

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Re: 2014 WC Group Stage: South Korea v Russia

Postby Evergreen » Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:16 pm

Am I the only one here who literally does not give a damn about the Korean national team?

I find it extremely difficult to care, as much as I try to.
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Re: 2014 WC Group Stage: South Korea v Russia

Postby SteveW » Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:11 pm

A bit more optimistic about Korea based on yesterday although the problems are still there for all to see.

The first hour or so of the game was more like chess and Korea looked good but that could be as much to do with Russia letting them play as it is their own good form.

When Dzagoev came on and Russia started pushing then Korea seemed to crumble a bit but they also looked quite tired by that point so it may simply have been exhaustion. Quite a few of the guys went down with cramp so it would suggest they had run themselves out by that point.

On the positives I though Yun and Lee Yong did well at full back. Ki and Koo looked good in the middle of the park. Son looked lively but wasteful.

Algeria looks like it will be a tough game but a winnable one. Wonder if he will stick with Lee Keun Ho upfront which seemed to work better than PCY who was poor. I kind of hope maybe he will gamble and try Wookie up there as they need to find a striker who can score goals but I don't think he will.

The weather in game 2 should be better, and suit Korea's style a bit more. Algeria looked vulnerable to pacy attacks so there is a chance there for Korea if they can find someone to finish.

Other concern would be yellow cards to key players last night... Son, Koo and Ki have yellows and I expect 2 of the 3 might end up missing the Belgium game by picking up cards against Algeria.

JSR looked hopeless. Not sure if the other options are any better though. Bring back Kim Byung Ji!
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Re: 2014 WC Group Stage: South Korea v Russia

Postby eujin » Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:38 pm

On that performance Russia look like the weakest team in the group. Who was it that was saying they were underrated? They weren't so much dark horse as bright pony. I don't know what Capello is doing. What is it with him and dodgey keepers. A top team would've put 3 or 4 past them last night and the highest paid manager at the World Cup would've looked like a big old waste of Russian money. Was it too humid for them? They really should have come out and asked more early questions of a Korea who were bound to go into the match lacking in confidence. Instead they let Korea get settled and failed to look really dangerous until the very end.
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Re: 2014 WC Group Stage: South Korea v Russia

Postby Pikey » Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:58 pm

I read somewhere a comment about the difference between the early games where the ball and pitches are dry, and the night games where they are slippy. Perhaps, but still some poor goalkeeping. I've not seen a replay to confirm it, but Russia's equalizer looked potentially offside from the rebound.

The Korean (all Korean) failing of "Just f&&*&*g lash it as hard as possible" whenever there is a chance to shoot is so frustrating. Son could (should) have scored twice with the whole goal to aim at. Instead that second shot is just abut to land in Chile.

Ki was great, Lee Keun-ho suddenly brought Korea up to 11 players, and overall Korea looked much better than I've seen them in a long time. Let's hope it continues
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Re: 2014 WC Group Stage: South Korea v Russia

Postby eujin » Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:00 pm

To be fair to Pak chu-yeong it was him that linked up with Son to set him up for those two chances that he ballooned into the sky.

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Re: 2014 WC Group Stage: South Korea v Russia

Postby SteveW » Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:33 pm

eujin wrote:On that performance Russia look like the weakest team in the group. Who was it that was saying they were underrated? They weren't so much dark horse as bright pony. I don't know what Capello is doing. What is it with him and dodgey keepers. A top team would've put 3 or 4 past them last night and the highest paid manager at the World Cup would've looked like a big old waste of Russian money. Was it too humid for them? They really should have come out and asked more early questions of a Korea who were bound to go into the match lacking in confidence. Instead they let Korea get settled and failed to look really dangerous until the very end.


I'm wondering whether the Russian strategy was dictated by the weather. They may have felt in the heat and humidity the approach was to keep it steady for 70 minutes and then unleash Dzagoev and Kerzhakov when the Koreans were worn out. Otherwise it doesn't seem to make much sense to leave out your best striker and your link up man from the starting XI They were a different team after Korea scored.

Can't really blame Capello for the keeper being rank but I do wonder whether Capello's naturally defensive tendencies will let him down in the long run. One take away from this World Cup seems to be that fast attacking football is more successful than stodgy defensive tactics. I can see Russia taking something off Belgium potentially if they play the way the finished the game last night.
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Re: 2014 WC Group Stage: South Korea v Russia

Postby Crane » Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:22 pm

eujin wrote:On that performance Russia look like the weakest team in the group. Who was it that was saying they were underrated? They weren't so much dark horse as bright pony. I don't know what Capello is doing. What is it with him and dodgey keepers. A top team would've put 3 or 4 past them last night and the highest paid manager at the World Cup would've looked like a big old waste of Russian money. Was it too humid for them? They really should have come out and asked more early questions of a Korea who were bound to go into the match lacking in confidence. Instead they let Korea get settled and failed to look really dangerous until the very end.

That would be me ;) Of course I said that when Shirokov wasn't injured and assumed Kerzhakov would start. Excuses excuses I know and I'm happy to admit I was dead wrong about the Russians. For what it's worth I've backed the Algerians to join Belgium in the next round...

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Re: 2014 WC Group Stage: South Korea v Russia

Postby Pikey » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:07 pm

eujin wrote:To be fair to Pak chu-yeong it was him that linked up with Son to set him up for those two chances that he ballooned into the sky.


That doesn't fit my analysis, so i'm going to ignore it.
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Re: 2014 WC Group Stage: South Korea v Russia

Postby nzfooty » Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:55 am

Russia unhappy with performance under Fabio Capello

A poor start in Brazil has disappointed fans in Russia and many blame Fabio Capello, who needs to start winning

Going in to this World Cup, Russian fans were not short on optimism. A poll just before the tournament found that 18% of Russians thought their country would win the tournament and only 7% said they did not think Russia would get out of their group.

Russia’s poor start to the tournament – a lackadaisical 1-1 draw against South Korea – and the time difference between Russia and Brazil means there has not been much of an atmosphere around the World Cup here. Yet at least. But if Russia were to begin doing well, starting against Belgium on Sunday, an outpouring of emotion is always likely – when Russia beat Holland in Euro 2008, the capital’s streets were flooded with joyous, flag-waving fans. The sporting success of the Sochi Winter Olympics and the annexation of Crimea have combined to create a huge upsurge in patriotism and, were the team to go on a run into the knockout stages, the level of interest would rocket.

For now, however, a sense of resignation more familiar to England supporters...


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Re: 2014 WC Group Stage: South Korea v Russia

Postby Gyongmaman » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:51 am

Evergreen wrote:Am I the only one here who literally does not give a damn about the Korean national team?

I find it extremely difficult to care, as much as I try to.


You are not the only one. Have tried to care on many occasions and as it's only 10 minutes on the subway, I go to most of Korea's international games at Sangam - even spent two days sweltering in a stadium in Bangkok in 2012 watching the Under-23 team in the King's Cup instead of spending it on a beach in Phuket because the tournament coincided with my time there. But I can't really pretend to care if they win or not.

Funnily enough, in 2010 I was back in the UK during one of Korea's games and it was the only time I have found myself desperately wanting them to win; when I'm here I'm not bothered at all.

Looking forward to a good night's sleep tonight so I'm fully refreshed for some real football at Bucheon vs Ansan Police tomorrow evening in the K2.

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Re: 2014 WC Group Stage: South Korea v Russia

Postby SteveW » Mon Jun 23, 2014 2:34 am

For some reason the same slogan never really caught on for the National Team games.... can't think why...

CU@NT has quite a ring to it.
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Re: 2014 WC Group Stage: South Korea v Russia

Postby nzfooty » Mon Jun 23, 2014 4:09 am

Interesting. I've really started supporting them after leaving Korea. I enjoyed 2002 but the nationalistic feelings it aroused and the fact that the same "fans" did not support club football got to me and sometimes I almost wanted them to lose. After leaving, on reflection I realised you could say that about many countries... as my feelings about my experience in Korea are positive it did not take long for me to start supporting their NT.

On a different subject, if they were unhappy about the Korea result then what will the Russian ppl make of the Belgium match. Awful does not even begin to describe it. Belgium are through, btw

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Russia unhappy with performance under Fabio Capello

A poor start in Brazil has disappointed fans in Russia and many blame Fabio Capello, who needs to start winning

Going in to this World Cup, Russian fans were not short on optimism. A poll just before the tournament found that 18% of Russians thought their country would win the tournament and only 7% said they did not think Russia would get out of their group.

Russia’s poor start to the tournament – a lackadaisical 1-1 draw against South Korea – and the time difference between Russia and Brazil means there has not been much of an atmosphere around the World Cup here. Yet at least. But if Russia were to begin doing well, starting against Belgium on Sunday, an outpouring of emotion is always likely – when Russia beat Holland in Euro 2008, the capital’s streets were flooded with joyous, flag-waving fans. The sporting success of the Sochi Winter Olympics and the annexation of Crimea have combined to create a huge upsurge in patriotism and, were the team to go on a run into the knockout stages, the level of interest would rocket.

For now, however, a sense of resignation more familiar to England supporters...


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Re: 2014 WC Group Stage: South Korea v Russia

Postby Holyjoe » Mon Jun 23, 2014 4:23 am

Perhaps I wouldn't follow Korea so closely if my own country actually got its act together and qualified for the World Cup every once in a while... then again Korea feels a lot like 'my country' as well so that's got quite a bit to do with why I support the national team.

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Re: 2014 WC Group Stage: South Korea v Russia

Postby eujin » Mon Jun 23, 2014 6:41 am

Holyjoe wrote:Perhaps I wouldn't follow Korea so closely if my own country actually got its act together and qualified for the World Cup every once in a while... then again Korea feels a lot like 'my country' as well so that's got quite a bit to do with why I support the national team.

That and running one of the most popular sites on the internet.


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