World Cup qualifiers (June 2013)

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Re: World Cup qualifiers (June 2013)

Postby eujin » Wed Jun 19, 2013 4:03 am

Evergreen wrote:What a horrible job Choi has done as national team manager.

They are through, and that was the main objective given to Choi when he started. So in that sense he's done his job. It's a shame he doesn't go out on a real high, and his trash talking gambit came back to bite him in the bum, but job is done.

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Re: World Cup qualifiers (June 2013)

Postby just because » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:08 am

Same old story for Korea as far as I could see, no cutting edge in the final third but given the players up front, in a couple of years they should be much better. Son heung Min, Ji Dong-Won and Kim Shin-Wook will all be better players and with Ki Seung Yong and Lee Chung-Yong putting the balls in there are bright days ahead.

Concern for me has to be the defense...looking at the lineup that was played last night it was very very young. Looks like plenty of talent coming through in that department too though.

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Re: World Cup qualifiers (June 2013)

Postby sjc_three » Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:06 pm

eujin wrote:Spotted the Busan Che flag in the stands.

Ah, it made it onto tele! Nice.

Last game for me before the move back to Europe - great crowd in terms of numbers, but personally didn't think the atmosphere was that amazing. Was expecting something like the atmosphere I witnessed at the Asiad to watch Korea v Greece on the big screens during the World Cup, but it really wasn't up to that, either around the stadium before, or during the game. Amusing enough, but I'd choose a minibus full of BTC diehards singing in the rain in Gangwon over this any day. :p Had way less riding on the result personally too, which always matters for me. I guess, at the end of the day, I do live in Busan, so supporting the Transport feels right, whereas I'm never going to be Korean, so in real terms, I just don't give anything like as much of a shit about whether they win or lose.

Amusing to see the Korean supporters' reaction to the Iranians celebrating. The makings of a nice rivalry there, which is always no bad thing in football, eh! Funny how these things materialise.

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Re: World Cup qualifiers (June 2013)

Postby Evergreen » Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:45 am

sjc_three wrote:I guess, at the end of the day, I do live in Busan, so supporting the Transport feels right, whereas I'm never going to be Korean, so in real terms, I just don't give anything like as much of a shit about whether they win or lose.


This sums up my feelings about the Korean national team quite nicely too. I honestly don't give a flying one.
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Re: World Cup qualifiers (June 2013)

Postby SteveW » Thu Jun 20, 2013 3:45 am

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sjc_three wrote:I guess, at the end of the day, I do live in Busan, so supporting the Transport feels right, whereas I'm never going to be Korean, so in real terms, I just don't give anything like as much of a shit about whether they win or lose.


This sums up my feelings about the Korean national team quite nicely too. I honestly don't give a flying one.


Think I've said this before but when I was actually in Korea I wasn't that into the Korean NT but I've pretty much adopted them now.

Suppose it helps having Korean family and having a home team that will probably never make another World Cup!

Seriously planning a trip to Brazil in 2014 so glad I have a team to support there.
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Re: World Cup qualifiers (June 2013)

Postby eujin » Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:43 am

SteveW wrote:Think I've said this before but when I was actually in Korea I wasn't that into the Korean NT but I've pretty much adopted them now.

Perhaps it helps not being in Korea? I remember being in Korea during the early stages of the Asian Cup and it was like watching some obscure match in a bar as no one else cared, but then when the semis came around the whole bandwagon started up and it wasn't so great. No, that's not true, I still wanted them to win. Maybe I've always had a soft spot for them ever since Mexico86 when everyone made fun of them for pre-booking their second round hotel and they had a player called Bum.

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Re: World Cup qualifiers (June 2013)

Postby Roarchild » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:43 am

I struggle to consistently care.

I have a lot of ties to Korea and none to Japan but I feel the same about both their national teams.

So while I want Korea to win (when they aren't playing Australia or New Zealand) that would probably be the case even if I had nothing to do with Korea.

I just like to see them do well because in the Asian confederation Korea and Japan play the role of good guys compared to the West. And when it comes to international competition I like to see them beat teams from the other confederations. When Korea play Japan my support is up in the air depending on my mood and how the game is playing out.

I probably even like the Japanese team more just because they have more players that stand out as good to watch (Honda, Endo and Kagawa).

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Re: World Cup qualifiers (June 2013)

Postby mr methane » Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:22 pm

eujin wrote:
SteveW wrote:Think I've said this before but when I was actually in Korea I wasn't that into the Korean NT but I've pretty much adopted them now.

Perhaps it helps not being in Korea?


I think that's definitely true and, to varying but always noticeable extents, I've found the same thing with teams both from foreign countries I've previously lived in and, within the UK, cities other than my own that I've previously lived in.

Although I've been a fan of German football for well over 30 years now, I wasn't always so keen on their national team. And certainly living there when they won the World Cup in 1990 was bloody hard work with people as in your face about it as anything 2002 Korea-related I've ever seen and I even wanted them to lose to the Dutch, phlegm 'n' all, just to shut people up. I mean, how inconsiderate is it to foreign residents and their sensitivities when people get excited about their national team's progress?

Not long after I left though, I'd say Germany had become (and mostly remained) my favourite other national team in Europe and if (ok, when) England were out of the running, it was often Germany who I'd want to win a tournament.

Same on a club level a few times too. When I lived and worked in Birmingham for a while, I was surrounded by overwhelmingly Blues (City) fans. Again, they felt very much in my face and I enjoyed their team's misfortunes, which were fortunately rather large in number. But it wasn't long after leaving Brum that I actually found myself developing a bit of soft spot for Birmingham City.

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Re: World Cup qualifiers (June 2013)

Postby SaintsCanada » Thu Jun 20, 2013 3:41 pm

You guys are weirdos. Why make life so complicated? I'm a Canadian in Korea, so I cheer for Canada and Korea. Simples!
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Re: World Cup qualifiers (June 2013)

Postby Pikey » Thu Jun 20, 2013 3:53 pm

For the 10 years I lived in Scotland, I'd always watch their games rather than Ireland during qualifiers, I loved the crowd and atmosphere (although both teams were poor).

I'd love to get more passionate about the Korean NT, but apart from the Asian Cup, I work late so i cant see any games. That's a level of disconnect. I wish they'd swap the calendar back to Wednesdays and Saturdays
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Re: World Cup qualifiers (June 2013)

Postby njs » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:24 pm

I'm kinda the opposite to what was said above.

I was in Korea in 2002 and got completely caught up in the NT success. It was impossible not to (for me). I figured NZ would never make a WC and so for me that was my moment. Watching the game in bars with foreign mates and Korean mates it was impossible not to go nuts.

I can remember vividly exactly what bar I was in for every single Korean game, who I was with, and how we celebrated (4 in Anyang, 1 in a skifield motel for the Spain game, and at Seoul centre on the big outdoor screen for Germany).

Since I left it's been a bit out of sight out of mind. In 2006 I was supporting them but it was a bit uninspiring. In 2010 I had NZ to follow and we exceeded expectations (if we'd nicked a point in 1 game people would have jizzed in their pants, as it was 3 draws was off the hook - as I say, low expectations).

I don't know any of the current players and aside from the WC's haven't seen them play a game. But I still follow and support them in a roundabout way.
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Re: World Cup qualifiers (June 2013)

Postby weka » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:00 pm

Che Guevara? The marx revolutionist? It always pisses me off when I see banners/shirts with his face. Yeah, he's cool! So edgy! Not. He was a fucking lunatic, savage and failed human.

read more: http://welcometothedarkside.wordpress.c ... e-guevara/

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Re: World Cup qualifiers (June 2013)

Postby SaintsCanada » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:36 pm

weka wrote:Che Guevara? The marx revolutionist? It always pisses me off when I see banners/shirts with his face. Yeah, he's cool! So edgy! Not. He was a fucking lunatic, savage and failed human.

read more: http://welcometothedarkside.wordpress.c ... e-guevara/

I have no respect for people who wear anything with Che on them. Learn some history.


I suggest you read your own post. It is a foolish piece by a foolish and biased person. BUT EVEN STILL all it says is that he oversaw legal tribunals of suspects of very serious crimes. I'm not going to sit here and claim that the Cuban Revolutionaries were perfect, but there is zero historical doubt that the government they overthrew was a corrupt and awful dictatorship. In my very strong opinion, many of the thugs who ran the military and state apparatus under Batista had to face justice.

What the 'author' of that piece should have pointed out is that Che had very little regard to who was actually guilty or not. For him the burden of proof was more about proving the defendant's political beliefs, rather than proving actual crimes.

The real-life Che Guevera has a mixed legacy. He was a tireless self-sacrificer for his beliefs and for the poor and working-class of Cuba, Latin America, and the Third World in general. He was also an adventurist that repeatedly put not only his own life, but that of many of his comrades at unnecessary and fool-hardy risk (especially in Angola and Bolivia). He was also doctrinaire and violent.

He certainly left behind him a trail of blood, but he also certainly left behind him an improved society and economy for the majority of Cuba's working-class, peasantry and the poor. To this day Cuba has one of, if not the, highest standard of living in the Caribbean and Central America -- despite being under total embargo by the World's only superpower (and one of its nearest geographical neighbours). Imagine how successful the Cuban system would be if it were not under embargo? It's something worth thinking about. The World Bank once had to concede that Cuba has done more to help the living-standard of its people than any other third-world nation on the planet -- by doing the exact opposite of every policy the WB promotes to poor-countries! This is all part of Guevera's legacy.

To sum up: He remains a villain in Miami, but a hero in Cuba. The truth is, as usual, somewhere in between.
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Re: World Cup qualifiers (June 2013)

Postby eujin » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:43 pm

weka wrote:Che Guevara? The marx revolutionist? It always pisses me off when I see banners/shirts with his face. Yeah, he's cool! So edgy! Not. He was a fucking lunatic, savage and failed human.

read more: http://welcometothedarkside.wordpress.c ... e-guevara/

I have no respect for people who wear anything with Che on them. Learn some history.

Does your version of the forum not have avatars on it?

I remember once walking around an island that had the summer houses of lots of fancy Boston lawyers and politicians on it. I suddenly realised that I was wearing a Che t-shirt, not something I usually worry about (my girlfriend gave it to me) but then I was suddenly worried that some irate guy with a lawn-clipper was going to come after me trying to teach me some history. Didn't happen though, I escaped unhurt. Would've probably been a better anecdote if someone had come after me.

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Re: World Cup qualifiers (June 2013)

Postby njs » Fri Jun 21, 2013 4:21 pm

I've got a che flag hanging in my garage. Hasta La Victoria Siempre!!!!!!!!!!
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