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Seoul satellite city trying to land pro football club at new stadium

Postby Holyjoe » Mon May 29, 2017 7:49 am

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Seoul satellite city trying to land pro football club at new stadium

YONGIN, South Korea, May 6 (Yonhap) -- A satellite city of Seoul is trying to land a professional football club at a brand new stadium scheduled to open this fall, its officials said Saturday.

Yongin, located some 50 kilometers south of the capital in Gyeonggi Province, is building a 37,000-seat multi-purpose stadium as part of its new municipal sports park, set for completion in November.

And according to city officials, Mayor Jung Chan-min recently ordered his staff to look into the feasibility of hosting a pro football team as the new stadium's main tenant.

"We have the conditions to bring in a pro club," one official said. "And we hope to make the best use of the new stadium and create a buzz for football."

The official noted that other Gyeonggi Provincial cities of similar size as Yongin, Suwon and Seongnam, already have football teams.

Suwon actually is home to two clubs: Suwon Samsung Bluewings in the top-flight K League Classic, and Suwon FC in the second-tier K League Challenge. Seongnam has Seongnam FC, a once-proud franchise that has fallen on hard times as the worst team in the K League Challenge this year.

Yongin, with about 1 million in population, has apparently contacted several existing clubs about possible relocation.

The K League Classic has 12 clubs and the Challenge has 10. The worst team from the top division is automatically relegated to the lower competition the following season, while the second-to-last club must survive a relegation playoff.

Yongin founded a third-division club in 2010 but it folded in January this year, citing hefty operating costs.

The city is home to 15 elementary, middle and high school teams and 82 amateur clubs. Yongin currently has one professional sports team, Samsung Life Blue Minx in the Women's Korean Basketball League.

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Re: Seoul satellite city trying to land pro football club at new stadium

Postby OttoSilver » Fri Jun 02, 2017 12:59 pm

Suwon has three professional teams, if you include the women's team.
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Re: Seoul satellite city trying to land pro football club at new stadium

Postby eujin » Fri Jun 02, 2017 4:51 pm

SteveW had an estimate of how much it costs to run a professional club. Assuming that the city will need to foot that bill entirely gives an estimate of how much this will cost the taxpayer, probably about the same as it costs in Seongnam. If E-Land or some other corporate could be persuaded to get involved they cut that back a bit, but Yongin just isn't as glamorous as Seoul for marketers. Most people live in Yongin because it's close to Seoul and rents are affordable, not because it's Yongin. The civic pride isn't really there like in some provincial towns such as Jeonju or Pohang.

If they could sustain the buzz getting a team would make sense by putting the town on the national map. The problem is there is no chance in hell they'll fill more than a tiny part of 37,000 seats. There just isn't the interest in Korea, especially with Suwon so close. With an empty stadium it will quickly start to look bad. The most important theme of Yongin marketing ought to be avoiding the label "white elephant capital of Korea", although competition for that title is quite stiff.

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Re: Seoul satellite city trying to land pro football club at new stadium

Postby Alex43 » Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:02 pm

the stadium is so far away from anything, no one will go. like the home 'fans' wont go. you could easily get to Seongnam quicker on the subline, bus it to either Suwon stadium. their stadium is on the EverLine. It IS A COMPLETE waste of money to have that stadium. What they didn't say about the Suwon/yongin relation is that Yongin is 3 TIMES as large as Suwon. I don't know numbers, but navigating in yongin is a wreck. It's is OLD korea, (u could say that about Suwon compared to seoul, but go deeper and there is yongin). IF they didn't have a track around the stadium, maybe an IPARK would move there since there will be tons of construction in the area. I literally don't know why that stadium was built and don't know who approved it. I say let it rot because trying to use it will just increase operation cost. zero thought into it, other than "what if"s.
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Re: Seoul satellite city trying to land pro football club at new stadium

Postby Holyjoe » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:10 pm

It won't be Yongin E-Land, it'll be Yongin SK instead. Reports are that Jeju United have been approached to relocate to this new stadium and seem up for it (why would they not be?).

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Re: Seoul satellite city trying to land pro football club at new stadium

Postby SteveW » Sat Jul 01, 2017 5:44 am

Holyjoe wrote:It won't be Yongin E-Land, it'll be Yongin SK instead. Reports are that Jeju United have been approached to relocate to this new stadium and seem up for it (why would they not be?).

Fuck it, Jeju OB Hyori Rovers it is then.
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Re: Seoul satellite city trying to land pro football club at new stadium

Postby MipoFanatic » Sat Jul 01, 2017 6:35 am

Holyjoe wrote:It won't be Yongin E-Land, it'll be Yongin SK instead. Reports are that Jeju United have been approached to relocate to this new stadium and seem up for it (why would they not be?).


Old Bucheon's relocation to Seogwipo was bizarre from the get-go. Yes, it was to a fancy new World Cup stadium, and I'm sure they were given a tempting offer by the stadium management company that was desperate for a tenant. But leaving a newly-renovated stadium in Gyeonggi-do to play in the smaller city on an under-populated island? If I recall correctly, the stadium's capacity was one-quarter of Seogwipo's entire population back when it was constructed.

The only reason Old Bucheon's attendance declined so drastically was because SK was being so tight with the purse strings and sold off any player who showed even a glimpse of talent.

I suppose fading into obscurity in another white elephant would be a fitting demise for this team, but will the KFA ever wake up and put an end to club relocation? I doubt the JFA would even entertain allowing such a move by a Japanese club.
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Re: Seoul satellite city trying to land pro football club at new stadium

Postby eujin » Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:22 pm

MipoFanatic wrote:I suppose fading into obscurity in another white elephant would be a fitting demise for this team, but will the KFA ever wake up and put an end to club relocation?

The Jeju franchise have been doing quite well recently. I don't know why the KFA would want to ban club relocation. Suwon Bluewings were set up as the first city based club over twenty years ago, invested a lot in local community ties, have never moved, have had decent success over the years and still only fill about 20% of their stadium. Most of their fans have lived their entire lives with Bluewings as the team from Suwon. Seoul on the other hand, well known for moving around, have by some distance the best attended matches, almost double what Suwon get.

There's no actual hard evidence that moving clubs is really a problem in Korea. The entire professional system is kept afloat by corporate largesse. People have tried repeatedly to build grassroots teams, and it just hasn't made that much of a difference.

There is evidence that the type of stadium makes a difference, no running tracks being a clear advantage, and there is evidence that success on the field makes a big difference. That requires money spent on the teams, which requires corporate largesse, just like everywhere else in the world.

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Re: Seoul satellite city trying to land pro football club at new stadium

Postby SteveW » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:05 am

eujin wrote:
MipoFanatic wrote:I suppose fading into obscurity in another white elephant would be a fitting demise for this team, but will the KFA ever wake up and put an end to club relocation?

The Jeju franchise have been doing quite well recently. I don't know why the KFA would want to ban club relocation. Suwon Bluewings were set up as the first city based club over twenty years ago, invested a lot in local community ties, have never moved, have had decent success over the years and still only fill about 20% of their stadium. Most of their fans have lived their entire lives with Bluewings as the team from Suwon. Seoul on the other hand, well known for moving around, have by some distance the best attended matches, almost double what Suwon get.

There's no actual hard evidence that moving clubs is really a problem in Korea. The entire professional system is kept afloat by corporate largesse. People have tried repeatedly to build grassroots teams, and it just hasn't made that much of a difference.

There is evidence that the type of stadium makes a difference, no running tracks being a clear advantage, and there is evidence that success on the field makes a big difference. That requires money spent on the teams, which requires corporate largesse, just like everywhere else in the world.


What's the evidence success on the field makes a difference? When I looked at the numbers a couple of years back I couldn't see any obvious link to on field performance.
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Re: Seoul satellite city trying to land pro football club at new stadium

Postby eujin » Wed Jul 05, 2017 7:41 am

SteveW wrote:What's the evidence success on the field makes a difference? When I looked at the numbers a couple of years back I couldn't see any obvious link to on field performance.

Daejeon, Incheon and Gyeongnam all have decent, football-specific grounds.

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Re: Seoul satellite city trying to land pro football club at new stadium

Postby MipoFanatic » Thu Jul 06, 2017 6:06 am

Seongnam ran away with the league in 2003, for the third consecutive season, and their ground was virtually empty.
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Re: Seoul satellite city trying to land pro football club at new stadium

Postby eujin » Thu Jul 06, 2017 6:35 am

MipoFanatic wrote:Seongnam ran away with the league in 2003, for the third consecutive season, and their ground was virtually empty.

Not as empty as it is now.

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Re: Seoul satellite city trying to land pro football club at new stadium

Postby daeguowl » Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:22 am

SK originally signed a ten year contract with Jeju government and 2015 they signed a two-year extension which runs out this December. So far Jeju government have not tried to open negotiations for another extension.

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Re: Seoul satellite city trying to land pro football club at new stadium

Postby Holyjoe » Sat Jul 22, 2017 6:34 am

S. Korean city Yongin says nothing confirmed on hosting pro football club

SEOUL, July 18 (Yonhap) -- South Korean city Yongin said Tuesday that nothing has been confirmed on hosting a pro football club in its region, denying rumors that it has contacted Jeju United in the top domestic league.

Yongin, a city in Gyeonggi Province located 50 kilometers south of Seoul, will complete the construction of a multi-sport stadium with 37,155 seats in November. To make the stadium sustainable, it was suspected the city would host a sports franchise and it was rumored to be talking with Jeju United.

But a city official denied that it has had contact with the K League Classic club.

"We did consider hosting a sports franchise to utilize the stadium, but we haven't met with Jeju officials," said Kang Beom-sik, who is in charge of sports administration at Yongin City Government. "Yongin has never hosted a provincial sports festival, so we constructed the stadium with that in mind, but in search of ways to use the venue, we thought about hosting a football club or a baseball club."

Jeju United, owned by South Korean conglomerate SK Group, have been on Jeju Island since 2006 after signing a deal with the municipal government. But since their contract will expire next year, the club was speculated to be considering a move to a new city. The 1989 K League champions were previously based in Bucheon in Gyeonggi Province, Seoul and Incheon.

After rumors spread that Jeju United could relocate to a new city next season, club supporters displayed banners opposing the team's move and demanded an explanation from management. Jeju previously said they've not pursued relocation.

"I think they were linked to our city since their deal with Jeju Island ends next year," Kang said. "We're open to every possibility, but we've yet to come to the conclusion of hosting a football club."

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Re: Seoul satellite city trying to land pro football club at new stadium

Postby MipoFanatic » Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:18 pm

Holyjoe wrote:After rumors spread that Jeju United could relocate to a new city next season, club supporters displayed banners opposing the team's move and demanded an explanation from management.

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