K-League Challenge 2016

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Re: K-League Challenge 2016

Postby SteveW » Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:54 pm

Im trying to remember but I think eland have struggled against goyang and chungju this season. They need 6 points and a few goals.
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Re: K-League Challenge 2016

Postby RoqueJunior » Wed Oct 19, 2016 1:46 am

Yes, are a lot of over-sized stadia in J2. Not that is the problem. Also, Koreans are not interested to watch their football. I mean look at YouTube views for Spotv's Classic games and take a look at the YT channel which uploads J League highlights. Also, in J league you need a minimum attendance to get your license. For example some JFL clubs can't promote this season to J3 because they haven't enough fans.

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Re: K-League Challenge 2016

Postby MipoFanatic » Wed Oct 19, 2016 1:17 pm

Round 41:

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Re: K-League Challenge 2016

Postby RoqueJunior » Wed Oct 19, 2016 3:27 pm

Serginho will not play anymore for Gangwon this season due to fake Syrian passport.

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Re: K-League Challenge 2016

Postby SteveW » Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:29 pm

Surely a punishment for fielding an ineligible player too then?
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Re: K-League Challenge 2016

Postby eujin » Wed Oct 19, 2016 5:16 pm

SteveW wrote:Surely a punishment for fielding an ineligible player too then?

Maybe it's being in Germany too much, but I would have thought that fake Syrian passports are quite expensive.

It's does seem unreasonable to expect the clubs to figure out whether passports are genuine or not. It's not really one of their core competencies. If he has a visa stamp in the passport from the foreigner office, then surely as far as the club is responsible, he's good to go? If the visa is in a Brazilian passport, but they want to pass him off as a Syrian AFC player, then maybe that needs sorting out in the rules. If you could prove that the club knew the passport was fake, but let him play anyway, maybe then you could punish the club - but good luck with that.

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Re: K-League Challenge 2016

Postby SteveW » Thu Oct 20, 2016 3:20 am

Dont know. But it needs to be investigated. Im not sure how innocent the clubs can claim to be when its so blatantly obvious that these guys are not Syrian.

If fraud is involved with immigration then its criminal as well. So that leads me to think they might well be brazilians with immigration and syrians for football purposes.

In the case of Belusso he seemed to change nationality when he moved from gangwon to seoul. Gangwon links to both also suggest an agent's handiwork.
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Re: K-League Challenge 2016

Postby MipoFanatic » Thu Oct 20, 2016 3:34 am

I agree with eujin. Unless you can prove the club either helped broker a fake passport or knew it was fake, good luck punishing them. It's the national immigration department's job to vet passports, not individual clubs. But yes, the clubs should be part of the investigation.

But that won't stop a Seoul E fan from trying. :smt111

Anyway, another interesting Challenge round. Gangwon lose, narrowing their lead over Busan to just a single point. But the really important topic is the final playoff spot, specfically whether Seoul E can pip Busan into fifth place.

Busan's win makes things very difficult for Seoul E (and eliminates Daejeon mathematically):

Busan: 61 pts
Seoul E: 58 pts

Busan's last two games: Bucheon (h), Seoul E (a)
Seoul E's last two games: Goyang (a), Busan (h)

Elsewhere, Goyang went close to getting an away win at Anyang, taking the lead twice, but Anyang managed two late goals to snatch the three points. Goyang still only have two wins this year, both against Chungju.

And what is with Ansan Police? From losing 8-1 against Chungju last week to winning away to Gyeongnam. They're about as inconsistent as... a bunny.

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Re: K-League Challenge 2016

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Re: K-League Challenge 2016

Postby eujin » Thu Oct 20, 2016 5:28 pm

SteveW wrote:Dont know. But it needs to be investigated. Im not sure how innocent the clubs can claim to be when its so blatantly obvious that these guys are not Syrian.

Thinking about this some more....presumably the way things work is regardless of immigration status, the players still need to register with the FA, and presumably some form of documentation must be sent to the FA with the registration if you want the player registered as an AFC player. If the FA waves through someone who's obviously not Syrian as Syrian nonetheless, then they are at least as culpable as the club in terms of the matches where this guy played as Syrian.

Immigration fraud is a crime. If the club knowingly assisted in this it's a matter for the courts.
Registering a player you know not to be Syrian as a Syrian is also fraud, but an issue between club officials and the FA.
Allowing a player who is not Syrian to play in league matches is as much the FA's fault as the club's and so any sporting punishment, like points deduction, seems unfair.

It's not dissimilar to the non-New Zealand New Zealander in the Olympic Qualifiers. The organising authority really ought to be taking responsibility for vetting players and allowing them to play. Once they've been allowed to play, that should be the end of any talk about sporting sanctions.

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Re: K-League Challenge 2016

Postby SteveW » Thu Oct 20, 2016 10:44 pm

If the clubs have knowingly provided false information to the FA then they should be sanctioned.

Equally if the FA has colluded in this when registering players with the AFC then they should be sanctioned.

We've seen plenty of situations where players have been improperly registered and action has been taken. Reporting a false nationality in order to be eligible to play seems as clear cut a case of improperly registered as can be.

Of course if they genuinely have obtained Syrian nationality through some shady means then it's a different story but I'm working on the assumption that they didn't actually have the proper paperwork to be Syrian in the first place.

We've already seen that 'it was an agent wot dun it' isn't an excuse. And it's not just for Gangwon, if Belluso is in the same boat then E-Land should be hammered too if they were aware of what was going on.
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Re: K-League Challenge 2016

Postby andyc24_uk » Fri Oct 21, 2016 4:07 am

One quick and easy thing clubs could do to improve attendances would be to make all games completely free entry, at least outside the top flight. if the likes of Chungju are getting less than 400 fans through the doors, paying what, $8 each, then that's not enough money to make any difference surely? In fact, I bet they barely cover the cost of having a bunch of people on duty all afternoon to check the tickets and take payment. Make it free entry, and get in to every single elementary and middle school in the city, send out a letter to each kid/family inviting them to come down and watch some free football every other Saturday, send a couple of players round the schools to do a meet-and-greet a couple of times a year, and you'll start building up a community base who actually have some investment in the sport.

I'm also interested to see if, assuming the pyramid scheme goes ahead, smaller towns/cities 'organically' develop their own teams. I can imagine a team doing well in a little town of 50k people where there's literally nothing else to do on the weekends, if it was set up right and marketed as a real local community team.

On the TV side, the KFA really needs to start up its own dedicated channel - be that online or otherwise. Show several games live each weekend/midweek; record the rest and make them available online. Doesn't need to be super hi-definition 4K TV unless for the top teams, just needs a couple of blokes with a video camera consistently in the stands at every game - hell, give a couple of fans free season tickets to do it if necessary.
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Re: K-League Challenge 2016

Postby SteveW » Fri Oct 21, 2016 7:33 am

The 2nd tier was always free prior to it becoming K2 and nobody went then either. Making something free makes it worthless it seems.

As for the TV, the games are already available online at Naver. A proper TV channel might be a nice idea but unless other things change it might just highlight how much worse the KLeague looks than their favourite EPL or La Liga game.
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Re: K-League Challenge 2016

Postby Sampo » Fri Oct 21, 2016 9:32 am

SteveW wrote:The 2nd tier was always free prior to it becoming K2 and nobody went then either. Making something free makes it worthless it seems.

As for the TV, the games are already available online at Naver. A proper TV channel might be a nice idea but unless other things change it might just highlight how much worse the KLeague looks than their favourite EPL or La Liga game.


If the K-League can't be a good product, then it can least be an entertaining one. Korean baseball is still popular despite greater access to MLB games, the KBO offers 'fun' and a communal atmosphere which can help make up for its general lower level of skill.

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Re: K-League Challenge 2016

Postby MipoFanatic » Fri Oct 21, 2016 2:39 pm

Round 42 highlights:

Busan vs. Gangwon - 2:35 version and 6:21 version (check out Gangwon's shot at 5:15 in the latter clip... I think that ball's about to land in Jinju.)

Chungju vs. Ansan

Daegu vs. Bucheon
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