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Re: K-League in the IFFHS

Postby OttoSilver » Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:22 am

Now, I can see the points racking up because of the big final, but all in all, is FC Seoul that far ahead of Ulsan, or even Pohang? And seriously, 14th best in the world? So we can challenge for top 5 in the Premier League, maybe even top 3 because we will have better competition to improve us?


I suppose it is possible, maybe, but these ranking really are rather useless, aren't they?
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Re: K-League in the IFFHS

Postby eujin » Thu Jan 30, 2014 6:30 pm

OttoSilver wrote:I suppose it is possible, maybe, but these ranking really are rather useless, aren't they?

Yes, except for the obvious amusement value. The guy who set up the IFFHS is actually quite a character.

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Re: K-League in the IFFHS

Postby Holyjoe » Tue Feb 03, 2015 7:44 am

The bestest ever list of best leagues in the world for 2014 was released a couple of weeks back, and although the K-League is still ranked the best in Asia it is dropping down in a global context and is now worse than the Scottish Premiership again.

2003: 39 (1st in Asia)
2004: 43 (1st)
2005: 53 (4th)
2006: 57 (2nd)
2007: 54 (7th)
2008: 85 (15th)
2009: 31 (2nd)
2010: 29 (2nd)
2011: 18 (1st)
2012: 15 (1st)
2013: 23 (1st)
2014: 24 (1st)


SteveW won't like this but apparently FC Seoul are 64th best club in the world. Pohang are 85th and Jeonbuk 86th, both sitting marginally behind Liverpool and just a few ranking points ahead of Aberdeen. AFC Champions League winners Western Sydney Wanderers are 125th, but curiously there's no sign of World Champions Seongnam FC anywhere. Surely an oversight?

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Re: K-League in the IFFHS

Postby Holyjoe » Sat Jan 09, 2016 7:15 pm

Everyone may be leaving but the K-League is moving in the right direction again, it's up to 22nd best league in the world and still the best in Asia. It's also better than the Scottish Premiership again which is how things should be.

2003: 39 (1st in Asia)
2004: 43 (1st)
2005: 53 (4th)
2006: 57 (2nd)
2007: 54 (7th)
2008: 85 (15th)
2009: 31 (2nd)
2010: 29 (2nd)
2011: 18 (1st)
2012: 15 (1st)
2013: 23 (1st)
2014: 24 (1st)
2015: 22 (1st)

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Re: K-League in the IFFHS

Postby eujin » Sat Jan 09, 2016 8:03 pm

Good old IFFHS. You can see where they're coming from with no K-League teams in the semis of the ACL for the first time in years and only one team in the quarters. They did get all four teams through the groups. None of them won their group, but there weren't a lot of points in it (one). Moderate strength in depth trumps whatever it is that China and Japan have?

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Re: K-League in the IFFHS

Postby Rothesay Saint » Sat Jan 09, 2016 10:48 pm

1 (1) España 1262,00
2 (2) Italia 1177,00
3 (5) Deutschland 1044,00
4 (4) Argentina 990,00
5 (7) France 914,00
6 (6) Brasil 899,00
7 (3) England 887,00
8 (8) Portugal 726,50
9 (11) Belgique 725,50
10 (12) Russia 715,00


Looks spot on right across the board. Matter of time before South Americans start leaving the sinking ship that is the English league and head back across the Atlantic.
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Re: K-League in the IFFHS

Postby eujin » Sun Jan 10, 2016 6:51 am

I like how they've tried to put some of the country names in the local language. Except Korea. And Cypern is Danish for Cyprus, which is a nice thought, but Κύπρος (Kypros) in Greek and Kıbrıs in Turkish (and Zypern in German).

18 (17) Nederland 606,50
19 (15) Ecuador 601,00
20 (13) México 595,50
21 (14) Ellás 592,00
22 (24) Republic of Korea 584,50
23 (20) Cypern 564,00
24 (21) Scotland 555,00
25 (28) Österreich 549,00
26 (39( Tunisia 547,00
27 (29) Saudi Arabia 545,00
28 (16) România 520,00
29 (33) Norge 512,00
30 (39) Polska 508,00
31 (25) Chile 476,00
32 (22) Bulgaria 471,50
33 (32) Nippon 468,00

And we all knew that Seoul were better than Jeonbuk in 2015. The league table doesn't...err, does, lie. And so does the Asian Champions League. Yet again.

48 Al-Ahli, Jeddah Saudi Arabia/3. 166,00
60 Al-Hilal S FC, Ar-Riyāḍ Saudi Arabia/3. 156,00
73 Guangzhou Evergrande FC China/2. 143,00
81 FC Seoul Republic of Korea/3. 140,00
99 Jeonbuk Hyundai Motors FC, Jeonju Republic of Korea/3. 130,50
102 Gamba Osaka Nippon/2. 127,50
110 Al Ahli FC Dubai UAE/2. 120,50
121 Suwon Samsung Bluewings FC Republic of Korea/3. 117,00
128 Seongnam Ilhwa Chunma Republic of Korea/3. 116,00

137 Buriram United FC Thailand/2. 110,50

That's Al-Ahli of Saudi Arabia at the top, who went out of the ACL in the round of 16, not Al-Ahli of the UAE that got to the final. I wonder if the chaps at IFFHS noticed. :wink:

Saudi Arabia's Al-Ahli are better than;
49 Chelsea FC, London England/4. 165,00
56 Manchester City FC England/4. 160,00
58 Tottenham Hotspur FC, London England/4. 158,00

And FC Seoul are better than;
84 FC Internazionale Milano Italia/4. 138,00

Even Seongnam are better than;
129 Everton FC, Liverpool England/4. 114,00
133 West Ham United FC, London England/4. 112,00
138 Aberdeen FC Scotland/3. 109,50
153 AC Milan, Milano Italia/4. 104,00
156 Sanfrecce Hiroshima Nippon/2. 103,00

Which, as Rothesay says, is all about spot on.

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Re: K-League in the IFFHS

Postby Rothesay Saint » Sun Jan 10, 2016 9:51 am

It must be a really useful website in terms of helping players know where to move to as well. I bet Pirlo, Lampard, Gerrard etc. wouldn't have been so quick to move to MLS if they had done their research and found that the league in Costa Rica is better.
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Re: K-League in the IFFHS

Postby Holyjoe » Tue Aug 15, 2017 6:58 am

They were late getting these rankings out this year, usually done in January but it wasn't out until April. Clearly they've put much thought into making it as accurate as possible. The K-League is back up to 18th, only once has the league ever been better than it is right now...

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2003: 39 (1st in Asia)
2004: 43 (1st)
2005: 53 (4th)
2006: 57 (2nd)
2007: 54 (7th)
2008: 85 (15th)
2009: 31 (2nd)
2010: 29 (2nd)
2011: 18 (1st)
2012: 15 (1st)
2013: 23 (1st)
2014: 24 (1st)
2015: 22 (1st)
2016: 18 (1st)


Jeonbuk Hyundai Motors, despite being cheaty match-fixing bastards, are the joint 25th strongest club in the world along with Boca Juniors. FC Seoul just edge out AEK Larnaca and Bayer Leverkusen whilst Suwon are just as good as PSV Eindhoven and only marginally worse than AC Milan. I reckon that's fair.

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Re: K-League in the IFFHS

Postby eujin » Thu Aug 17, 2017 5:25 pm

The links on their page are so out of date, I'm not even sure I'm on the official one. Is it this? http://iffhs.de/
The drop down bar at the top for CWR runs only from Jan 2014 to May 2014. There's a period of 2014 that has been studied in great detail with monthly reports.

The great thing about the IFFHS is, the more you look at it, the more entertainment it provides. Just reading the headlines I note that the New Caledonian league now ranks above New Zealand's ASB Premiership. That has to be because the New Caledonian champions got knocked out of the OFC Champions league by the second-best NZ team. As they did this year too, where the aggregate score over two legs was only 9-3. Still, strength in depth I guess, or maybe it's 2014. Arsene Wenger has done such a good job at Arsenal he deserves to move up the IFFHS rankings to a bigger and better club like FC Seoul.

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Re: K-League in the IFFHS

Postby Holyjoe » Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:39 am

It is such a badly laid out website.. the most recent Club World Rankings are in this link: http://iffhs.de/club-world-ranking-2016/

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Re: K-League in the IFFHS

Postby Holyjoe » Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:13 am

Good thing the Saudi FA are sending absolutely every single person who has ever kicked a football in that country over to Spain this year as the K-League is in serious danger of being deposed as Asia's best league in the IFFHS world league rankings. Just one place and 2.5 points separate the two leagues with Korea on 528.5 somethingorothers and the Saudi League at 526 thingumajigs. To put that in comparison, Spain's La Liga is top of the pile yet again with 1195 whatchyamacallits.

2003: 39 (1st in Asia)
2004: 43 (1st)
2005: 53 (4th)
2006: 57 (2nd)
2007: 54 (7th)
2008: 85 (15th)
2009: 31 (2nd)
2010: 29 (2nd)
2011: 18 (1st)
2012: 15 (1st)
2013: 23 (1st)
2014: 24 (1st)
2015: 22 (1st)
2016: 18 (1st)
2017: 28 (1st)


Jeonbuk have finally got the comeuppance they deserve and are now ranked 266th in the world. Their Hyundai chums Ulsan were the highest-ranked Korean side at 108th in the world and Suwon Samsung follow closely after at 117th.

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Re: K-League in the IFFHS

Postby eujin » Tue Jan 30, 2018 6:34 am

It's baffling why they think any of this makes sense, but given Korea's relatively poor performance in last year's ACL (no teams in the quarter-finals and only one team (Jeju) out of the groups) it's perhaps not surprising that Korea has been pegged back a bit. Saudi Arabia's Al Hilal got to the final and they had two teams in the quarters, but then so did China and Japan and it was a Japanese team that won it. Al-Hilal won the Saudi double in 2017 and didn't lose a match before the final, whereas eventual winners Urawa lost four matches in the tournament and only finished seventh in the J-League.

But quite how all this puts Al Hilal 158 places above Leicester, who made the UCL quarter-finals, or 41 places above Monaco who made the semis and won the French League is still a mystery to me. Benfica, who did the Portugese double, finished not just behind Al-Hilal, but also behind Ulsan and Suwon.

The fact that Jeonbuk, who have dominated the K-League in recent years and have already won the 2018 title according to some, have fallen back well below the four Korean ACL teams, suggests that points gained or even just matches played in continental tournaments are weighted too highly by IFFHS (Jeonbuk were banned last year from the ACL even though they were the defending champions).

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Re: K-League in the IFFHS

Postby OttoSilver » Tue Jan 30, 2018 10:22 am

it makes perfect sense. You are false news.
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