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Re: Korean Football on Wikipedia

Postby SteveW » Fri Mar 17, 2017 7:18 pm

eujin wrote:I'll take a stab at this one.

Continuity is important, but it's also important why you support a team. If your only reason is that they are the local team and they move to the other end of the country then that goes away. If you live on the other side of the world though, that might be less important. If you support them because your dad supported them, and your dad supported them while they were in another city, then maybe you carry on. Or if your third cousin still plays left-back. If you support them because of the way they are run, stick with the same manager for twenty years policy or their no-catholics, only players from the Basque country values, then there's probably some room to move about. If Rangers move to a new stadium in Coatbridge, most of their fans in Northern Ireland could probably live with that, because sectarianism transcends south Glasgow. If the club moves with you to a new place because Stalin has booted you all out then probably you start supporting them more. It probably matters a lot what your friends think. If they're all outraged, it's harder to keep going, whatever their reasons are.

There are also a bunch of reasons why you might give up supporting a team even if they don't move. We almost saw this with the Gyeongnam boys giving up on their team because they started fixing matches and running the club into the ground.


Don't disagree with any of this but it doesn't really go to the question about club identity. You can support who you like for whatever reason you like and I don't really buy into this snobbery of real fans and not real fans.

The Ansan boys have supported about four different clubs now but the team they suppprted moved and was replaced. What is the continuation there? Which one would an Ansan Otto stick with? Seems like he should move to support Asan. But that would seem a bit odd.
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Re: Korean Football on Wikipedia

Postby jamesedrupt » Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:17 am

I would have never given up on supporting Gyeongnam. The way the club was run at times before was downright disgusting. On the up now, long may it continue.

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Re: Korean Football on Wikipedia

Postby Rothesay Saint » Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:50 pm

I'd love to see Rangers move to Coatbridge, but I think Lanark is a bit more likely. (Coatbridge is predominantly catholic, Lanark was famously the town that tried to get Subway to change the colour of their store from green to blue).

Not sure about Steve's example about when FC Seoul would stop being FC Seoul if they moved to Incheon, but surely if people did go and continue to support them, then they could not be an Incheon sports team, because as everyone knows Incheon sports teams have no fans.

Back on topic, as controversial and unpalatable as it may be, the team belongs to whoever is paying out the money. You can't complain about someone taking away your K-league team if it is a company that is bankrolling it. It's not exactly difficult to start your own team anyway in Korea. Goyang FC has been going for years on the efforts of a couple of guys who got pissed off with KB.
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Re: Korean Football on Wikipedia

Postby eujin » Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:45 am

Rothesay Saint wrote:I'd love to see Rangers move to Coatbridge, but I think Lanark is a bit more likely. (Coatbridge is predominantly catholic, Lanark was famously the town that tried to get Subway to change the colour of their store from green to blue).

I may have mentioned this before but I used to know a woman from Airdrie who particularly hated protestants from Coatbridge for some reason. She was a pot smoking anarchist who ended up working in the City though, so what do I know? She probably votes tory these days.

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Re: Korean Football on Wikipedia

Postby Rothesay Saint » Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:11 pm

She ended up working in Glasgow? Social climber.
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Re: Korean Football on Wikipedia

Postby eujin » Fri Mar 31, 2017 7:46 am

This place is going to die if we don't have at least some controversy. I make it only four topics updated in the last week. With the Seoul vs Anyang match coming up in the FA Cup I think we should all make some sort of effort.

With that in mind, let me ask this: Is Korean football really all that different from American football? People enjoy their games, there's very little trouble, teams move around when they get the chance and everyone is happy. Is that really so bad?

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Re: Korean Football on Wikipedia

Postby Rothesay Saint » Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:25 pm

eujin wrote:This place is going to die if we don't have at least some controversy. I make it only four topics updated in the last week. With the Seoul vs Anyang match coming up in the FA Cup I think we should all make some sort of effort.

With that in mind, let me ask this: Is Korean football really all that different from American football? People enjoy their games, there's very little trouble, teams move around when they get the chance and everyone is happy. Is that really so bad?

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I've only been to one MLS game and I saw a fight at it, two drunk guys having a bit of a pushing match, not unlike you'll see at most Jungang Chorus games. I also watched a baseball game in the USA and while there was no fighting, I did see three people die of boredom there and I myself only made it out alive because I had developed an enormous boredom threshold from watching Kevin Costner films.

The big difference between Korea and NFL is that over there they build stadiums to attract teams. In Korea they build teams to use stadiums. The only example I can think of where a stadium was built to specifically please a team in Korea was with Incheon and that's surely not the path to follow.

If we are going down the route of moving things around though, how about moving this forum to Oman? The Oman premier league is very similar to the N-league in terms of support and quality, and I saw the national team win 14-0 earlier this week. Make up a few slogans and some funny nicknames and aside from team buses (I've never seen one over here), I reckon we've got everything we need.
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Re: Korean Football on Wikipedia

Postby daeguowl » Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:12 pm

Rothesay Saint wrote:
eujin wrote:This place is going to die if we don't have at least some controversy. I make it only four topics updated in the last week. With the Seoul vs Anyang match coming up in the FA Cup I think we should all make some sort of effort.

With that in mind, let me ask this: Is Korean football really all that different from American football? People enjoy their games, there's very little trouble, teams move around when they get the chance and everyone is happy. Is that really so bad?

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I've only been to one MLS game and I saw a fight at it, two drunk guys having a bit of a pushing match, not unlike you'll see at most Jungang Chorus games. I also watched a baseball game in the USA and while there was no fighting, I did see three people die of boredom there and I myself only made it out alive because I had developed an enormous boredom threshold from watching Kevin Costner films.

The big difference between Korea and NFL is that over there they build stadiums to attract teams. In Korea they build teams to use stadiums. The only example I can think of where a stadium was built to specifically please a team in Korea was with Incheon and that's surely not the path to follow.

If we are going down the route of moving things around though, how about moving this forum to Oman? The Oman premier league is very similar to the N-league in terms of support and quality, and I saw the national team win 14-0 earlier this week. Make up a few slogans and some funny nicknames and aside from team buses (I've never seen one over here), I reckon we've got everything we need.


Where do they recruit their foreign 'stars'?

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Re: Korean Football on Wikipedia

Postby eujin » Fri Mar 31, 2017 6:41 pm

Rothesay Saint wrote:If we are going down the route of moving things around though, how about moving this forum to Oman? The Oman premier league is very similar to the N-league in terms of support and quality, and I saw the national team win 14-0 earlier this week. Make up a few slogans and some funny nicknames and aside from team buses (I've never seen one over here), I reckon we've got everything we need.

omanfootball.com? Do they have O-pop and chicken wings? Works for me. When do we move? 서패 has a certain ring to it. Will the folks back in Korea eventually get around to making a new forum and then we can play them in the illustrious Prediction SUPERleague? At least it will intensify the rivalry with persianfootball.com. I've always thought we shouldn't take any shit from them. Being an Arabic forum will only make us stronger! What are you doing about that Rothesay?

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Re: Korean Football on Wikipedia

Postby Rothesay Saint » Fri Mar 31, 2017 7:45 pm

Hmm, all good questions.

Foreign stars are a bit thin on the ground as the average salary in the league works out at about a couple of hundred (US) dollars a week, but the current manager of the free scoring national team is Pim Verbeek and a past manager was Ian Porterfield, years before he turned up at Busan. The lack of money doesn't seem to deter Nigerian princes posting regularly on the Oman Pro League Facebook page, offering the next Yaya Toure to clubs in Oman.

No O-pop either I'm afraid and nor is there a chicken shop on the corner of every street. And of course with it being an Islamic country no beer drinking at the games either.

Come to think of it, it might just be easier if I move back to Korea in 2018 and start a new and improved prediction league then. I'm thinking of calling it Prediction Superleague V2.0 and having special guest appearance predictions from K2 sides such as Seongnam and the chicken wings.
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Re: Korean Football on Wikipedia

Postby eujin » Fri Mar 31, 2017 11:37 pm

No O-pop, no bus porn, no chicken wings, no beer and Pim Verbeek. How do you survive?

Now that you mention it, how is Pim Verbeek in charge of a team that scores 14 goals in a match? Surely there's some sort of mistake.


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