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Re: 2015 K3 League season

Postby paquebot » Sat Oct 24, 2015 2:46 pm

eujin wrote:
paquebot wrote:Do Arsenal charge a lot?

Yes. The photo is from the recent Champions League visit of Bayern to Arsenal. That's why the banner is in English and the price in pounds. 64 pounds is about 110,000 won. There must be K-League matches where the entire gate takings are less than that.


Yeah, I can see why they'd be making a banner about that.

Hmmm. Which K-League match would generate the lowest gate income? Probably includes one of Busan, Gwangju, and Seongnam ...
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Re: 2015 K3 League season

Postby daeguowl » Sat Oct 24, 2015 4:34 pm

paquebot wrote:
eujin wrote:
paquebot wrote:Do Arsenal charge a lot?

Yes. The photo is from the recent Champions League visit of Bayern to Arsenal. That's why the banner is in English and the price in pounds. 64 pounds is about 110,000 won. There must be K-League matches where the entire gate takings are less than that.


Yeah, I can see why they'd be making a banner about that.

Hmmm. Which K-League match would generate the lowest gate income? Probably includes one of Busan, Gwangju, and Seongnam ...


Probably something like Busan v Jeonnam midweek with April showers when the Giants are at home

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Re: 2015 K3 League season

Postby eujin » Sat Oct 24, 2015 8:30 pm

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paquebot wrote:Hmmm. Which K-League match would generate the lowest gate income? Probably includes one of Busan, Gwangju, and Seongnam ...


Probably something like Busan v Jeonnam midweek with April showers when the Giants are at home

If the Giants are at home but it starts raining there's an awful lot of people hanging around in Sajik-dong with nothing better to do.... :smt004

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Re: 2015 K3 League season

Postby Martyrs Forever » Sat Oct 24, 2015 11:27 pm

I have limited knowledge of the top tier but it has to be Seongnam......the few times I went, there were less there than at the 'Buk!

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Re: 2015 K3 League season

Postby SteveW » Sun Oct 25, 2015 9:35 am

Given that you can walk into Gwangju for nothing if you have the nouse then surely they have the worst takings?

Am I the only one who thought the German protest of paying the ticket price like good little sheep and then moaning about it was stupid?
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Re: 2015 K3 League season

Postby Martyrs Forever » Sun Oct 25, 2015 12:14 pm

I think the fact that we are all on the K3 thread shows that we are more enlightened that those chasing the big clubs all over Europe. Football is football. There's something more real about going to a K3 game than a Champions League one - and it's free! I like the intimacy of the small ground experience. Following bigger clubs is, as Steve W says, sheeplike.

Arsenal is notoriously the most expensive ground though.....and I think football in Germany is much cheaper generally. What the people in charge in England have realised it that people will pay to see their team.....increasingly a lot of these people seem to be tourists.......

.....What if I raised the price of a ticket at Arsenal to a £100 a game? For every local supporter who says it's too much, I have some tourists from Asia somewhere with their Arsenal shirts on ready to pay. Any of the top 6 clubs in England can do that. The owners don't mind as long as the ticket says sold on it. It's a short-term view but it will make money. Although as I type, I can hear the sound of millions of Chelsea 'supporters' changing their shirts to a City one at dodgy night markets all over Asia!

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Re: 2015 K3 League season

Postby eujin » Sun Oct 25, 2015 7:57 pm

SteveW wrote:Am I the only one who thought the German protest of paying the ticket price like good little sheep and then moaning about it was stupid?

They certainly got a lot of media attention for it as you can see here. The guys behind the protest are the fan clubs, the type of guys who go to not just all the home and away matches but also a bunch of the reserve matches too. Some people are just obsessed and football clubs are starting to cash in on it. The businessman in you knows full well that the folks in Gangneung missed a trick in not putting the non-member ticket prices up to 200,000 won once you were on 47 clubs. And protesting about this, that and everything with banners is part of the fan culture in Germany. Every week the fan clubs make a banner that either demands the manager be sacked, supports immigrants and gays or wishes Fritz and his cruciate ligament Gute Besserung.

The problem of ticket prices is more of a British one than a German one anyway. The Bayern fans only have to pay up once or twice a year. There's a real worry in Germany that the Premiership is outmuscling the Bundesliga financially in terms of player salaries, though until the English teams go all Evergrander and start dominating the Champions League the complaints about that will remain muted. The wider problem, as many people have already mentioned, is that market forces in the UK are depriving people of their culture. Millions of ordinary people have grown up supporting clubs like Arsenal, just like their parents and grandparents before them. They're reluctant to give up that attachment because those are the rules in their sub-culture, and they live in a world that has less and less for them to align their identity with. Football will always be free somewhere, but building up that sense of belonging can take generations.

The K3 related point that I was trying to make with the photo, and might have been missed, is that there actually is something to be said for no fans, free football. No queues, sit where you like, drink beer, no need to be body frisked or accompanied by the police to the train station. In Korea it's actually a relief to get away from the crowds and have some peace and quiet.

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Re: 2015 K3 League season

Postby Holyjoe » Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:42 pm

eujin wrote:The K3 related point that I was trying to make with the photo, and might have been missed, is that there actually is something to be said for no fans, free football. No queues, sit where you like, drink beer, no need to be body frisked or accompanied by the police to the train station. In Korea it's actually a relief to get away from the crowds and have some peace and quiet.


Yep definitely agree with this and it's something I really miss.

Since coming back to Scotland I've gone on and completed the 42 league grounds and have added quite considerably to the number of non league and Junior grade grounds I've been to.. all enjoyable endeavours in their own way but none of them have really had anything to compare to the whole groundhopping experience in Korea, or indeed the whole going to the football experience in Korea.

I do despair a bit when I see the ultras groups trying to replicate the whole European/South American experience with kid on violence, demanding segregation etc which as you say would lead to a whole raft of measure which would dilute or kill off exactly what it is that makes going to the football in Korea so great.

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Re: 2015 K3 League season

Postby changwonmatty » Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:43 pm

eujin wrote:The K3 related point that I was trying to make with the photo, and might have been missed, is that there actually is something to be said for no fans, free football. No queues, sit where you like, drink beer, no need to be body frisked or accompanied by the police to the train station. In Korea it's actually a relief to get away from the crowds and have some peace and quiet.

While not the K3 the same can go for the Nleague.....I think the biggest enjoyment was I could go after a hard week on a Friday to the game where it is about me and 3-500 other people, bring my own beer into the ground from the convenience store down the road, have a few in piece, sit wherever I want, spread my legs out, get comfortable and watch,at times entertaining, matches on a Friday night........ took me a few seasons to convince myself to go and get over being a Kleague snob but once I did I did I highly enjoyed it.... the Friday nights sold me, I enjoyed more when they played then than during the daylight hours.
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Re: 2015 K3 League season

Postby Martyrs Forever » Sun Oct 25, 2015 9:36 pm

God bless the Korean lower leagues.....although I went to Ross County 20 years ago and I still remember how good the pie was!

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Re: 2015 K3 League season

Postby paquebot » Mon Oct 26, 2015 12:07 am

Found this concerning K-League attendances:
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Lowest:
Daejeon 763
Jeju 1,011
Gwangju 1,158

Lowest Average:
Gwangju 2,185
Daejeon 2,740
Busan 3,304

So ... Daejeon vs. Jeju on a weekday in terrible weather?

As others have said, the atmosphere at K3 matches is quite nice. Nothing like a day out in the Gangbuk Stadium with some drinks and snacks, cherry blossoms, sunshine, and football. Even better when someone in the stadium recognizes you and invites you over to share some beer, makkeolli, or ice cream. Heck, I've had Chuncheon fans at Yangju give me free beer. It sounds like that would be unheard of in many of the European leagues. I absolutely love how Yangju has a snack hut and a ground that suits the number of fans attend instead of playing at a massive bowl with 24,800 empty seats.

My only other experience watching football matches is attending a couple of North American A-League matches -- Seattle Sounders vs. Vancouver Whitecaps and Calgary Mustangs vs. Toronto Lynx, so also not at the same level as European or South American top division clubs. With a track record like that, maybe I was destined to be a K3 supporter? I will say that following the K3 has sparked an interest in learning more about amateur sides back home (Washington state) -- something that I hadn't even thought about before moving to Korea.
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Re: 2015 K3 League season

Postby OttoSilver » Fri Oct 30, 2015 11:38 pm

SeoulUtd wrote:Haha.. Maybe the Ultras don't like it lol.
Goyang team mebers will have a meeting with City officials so we can expect better budget maybe. Ultras said if things go wrong they can even start a street protest.


I can just see both of them will sitting in front of City Hall, one singing non-stop while the other drinks a VitaminWater.

And then every now and then some African bloke pops up out of nowhere just to make sure there aren't any agents about to talk to.
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Re: 2015 K3 League season

Postby paquebot » Sat Oct 31, 2015 1:20 am

OttoSilver wrote:
SeoulUtd wrote:Haha.. Maybe the Ultras don't like it lol.
Goyang team mebers will have a meeting with City officials so we can expect better budget maybe. Ultras said if things go wrong they can even start a street protest.


I can just see both of them will sitting in front of City Hall, one singing non-stop while the other drinks a VitaminWater.

And then every now and then some African bloke pops up out of nowhere just to make sure there aren't any agents about to talk to.


Goyang fan no.1 will be beating his drum. His girlfriend, meanwhile, will be screeching her lungs out.
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Re: 2015 K3 League season

Postby paquebot » Sat Oct 31, 2015 12:13 pm

Gyeongju - Yangju @ 11am Squads for today
Hwaseong - Paju @ 2pm

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Re: 2015 K3 League season

Postby Martyrs Forever » Sat Oct 31, 2015 4:50 pm

There they sit. Filthy Pocheon. Waiting for the winners like a weird man with a bag of candy in a car outside a school!


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