The "48"

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Re: The "48"

Postby Gerd Bibimbapper » Mon Sep 27, 2010 3:38 pm

MipoFanatic wrote:
Gerd Bibimbapper wrote:- Asan Sports Complex

Is it grass or artificial turf?


I'm pretty sure it was grass when I went there in 2008.

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Re: The "48"

Postby Cyclops » Mon Sep 27, 2010 3:58 pm

Thanks for your kind words gents, and good to see other people's lists. Some impressive hauls, especially considering the relatively short time spent in Korea by some (it took me 7 years for mine so that puts it in perspective).

At some point soon when I have time I'll try to add a similar list of my own here. The current grounds you all know, but some of the former league grounds will be a bizarre trip down memory lane!

Incidentally although I'll have been to all of the 48 come Saturday, it's based on my own 'rules' rather than anything official. I 'count' a ground if I see a football match there, irrespective of the competition, teams, etc as long as it is a proper match with referee and linesmen, etc. If the game is abandoned or I'm late and miss some that's ok as long as I see part of the game, but I don't count it if the game is cancelled or I just happen to roll into an empty stadium and walk around for a while, or I see a game in a different sport or a concert, etc.

Incidentally these personal 'rules' are different from the '92 Club' rules. Under their rules some of the places I've visited wouldn't count as I saw internationals, cups, friendlies, etc rather than home league games. However, they would let me count former grounds if clubs have moved in the last couple of years, but I don't allow myself that concession. Horses for courses...

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Re: The "48"

Postby sjc_three » Mon Sep 27, 2010 4:54 pm

Yup, that's pretty much how I see it too. Although surprised to hear that about the 92 club, as I thought I remembered reading about a mad rush at the start of the season to catch the first game at a new stadium - Derby, I think - but perhaps I've got that wrong.

If walking in/jumping a fence to have a stroll round counted, my worldwide list would be considerably more impressive, as (especially in my pre family days), a holiday to any new place would have to include that - game or not. Still haven't see a game at either Barce or Real, but have wandered around both - sat in the dugouts at Atletico too! We took a wrong turning on the way back from that festival in Gonju the other weekend and found myself staring at the Jeonbuk stadium in the distance. It was all I could do to stop myself driving down for a closer look. Thankfully restrained myself. With several hours in the car still to go, that would have not gone down well with the wife at all.

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Re: The "48"

Postby eujin » Mon Sep 27, 2010 6:18 pm

I've done all the K-League grounds except Gangwon's (the two or however many they have). And all the regular KBO grounds. And all the national museums and all the national parks except Juwang... You gotta have lists don't you? I can't help thinking that if football was more popular the idea would catch on in Korea. Afterall Koreans love ticking things off on lists, especially tourists. The eight scenic wonders of wherever seems to be a popular one. Turns out that woman climber, I have to look her name up, Oh Eun-sun, who claims to have done all 8000metre plus mountains is quite famous in the Basque Country because the other woman to claim same feat is Basque. When people found out I'd been in Korea they asked me about her, but I had no idea apart from vaguely hearing something about it on the news.

I've been to a game at Real in the past (won't go to Barca on principal) but my recent trip to Spain was a complete washout matchwise. I was settling in to watch a second division game on the TV when I was dragged out to see Granada cathedral and the tombs of King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella. Only the two monarchs who threw the Muslims and Jews out of Spain, reunified the country and laid the groundwork for the discovery of America. Who'd miss a mid-table Spanish second division match on the telly for that? Some people have got very odd priorities....

I managed to walk around the outside of Athletic Bilbao's ground. They have a museum there, which I didn't go in.

Anyway, congrats Cyclops, sounds like a blast. Muju is surely next?

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Re: The "48"

Postby Holyjoe » Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:54 pm

I think I am currently stalled on around 30ish, including past and non-league venues - not done a definitive list of stadia (have a complete list of games attended though :oops: ), but it is for the most part very 수도권centric. I spent far too long following Suwon home and away so that limited me to K-League venues, and then when Cha finally pissed me off I spent a couple of years attending easy to get to Korail matches. It wasn't really until the K3 started up in 2007 that I started attempting to bag all the places I hadn't been and then I came back to Scotland in September 2008 so my Korean groundhopping is currently on hiaitus.

Like Mipo I've still not been to Chunnam's Gwangyang stadium so that's one I really want to do when I go back (be it temporarily or permanently). Looking forward to the Sung-eui stadium being completed in Incheon, though it's never going to match up to the quaint run-down charm the old place had when Korail played there. I still regret not seeing a match at Dongdaemun purely for history's sake. Went in a few times when it was a car park and flea market but that doesn't in any way make up for not seeing a game there.

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Re: The "48"

Postby njs » Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:25 pm

Awesome Cyclops. You are a fucking legend.

I think in my two years following the K-League I only managed...

Anyang, Incheon, Bucheon, Seoul, Suwon, Seongnam, Daejeon, Pohang, Busan and Jeonju. Sighted Jeju but that doesn't count.

So I'm 38 behind you and it's safe to say I'll never catch up.

I guess we played on a dozen or so dirty, grimey arse high school fields as well. I still have the scars from one or two.
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Re: The "48"

Postby eujin » Tue Sep 28, 2010 1:24 am

You'd have thought a few palyers and coaches/trainers would have a shot at the 48. Someone who's played at least a year in each of the three divisions?

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Re: The "48"

Postby Rothesay Saint » Tue Sep 28, 2010 6:22 am

eujin wrote:You'd have thought a few palyers and coaches/trainers would have a shot at the 48. Someone who's played at least a year in each of the three divisions?


That's a thought. I wonder if anyone has played a full season in each of the three leagues.
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Re: The "48"

Postby Rothesay Saint » Tue Sep 28, 2010 6:32 am

Incidentally my list is concentrated around the capital as well and I've seen the two Seoul teams and Ansan play at -

K-league (9) - Seoul, Suwon, Seongnam, Incheon, Busan, Daegu, Daejeon, Gyeongnam and Jeonbuk
N-league (6) - Ansan, Suwon, Yesan, Goyang, Incheon and Yongin
K3 (9) - Seoul, Cheonan, Asan, Goyang, Martyrs, Yongin, Bucheon, Yangju and Pocheon
Historical (2) - Nowon, Pabal

I would have liked to get around all the K-league grounds, maybe sometime in the future. :)
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Re: The "48"

Postby mustoe02 » Tue Sep 28, 2010 1:48 pm

Congratulations Cyclops!

I know I had this conversation with Euijin in person quite a while ago, but one thing that I've enjoyed about being a football fan in Korea is that it's made me think about and start to understand what sort of football fan I actually am. I do enjoy ground-hopping and have done quite a bit of it (especially when I was a bored teenager), and whilst I do go to fairly random games (from my supporting persective) a few times a season, though more for the football match than the stadium, I've discovered that I really only love (as opposed to like or enjoy) going to football to watch my team.

My team is normally Suwon, or in England Pompey, but has in the past been stretched to Bucheon, Korea, England and even Havant and Waterlooville a couple of times. That's where the buzz is for me. There's nothing I like more than that comoraderie from traversing a country and meeting a small group of people at a stadium, even if you don't like all of them, who have done the same thing for the same reason. Sometimes, on a few occasions, this feeling coupled with a late equalizer or a dodgy penalty has given rise to an undescribably wonderful emotion within me that keeps me going back for more week after week.

In terms of a list, a recent trip to Gangwon completed the K-League for me, but frustratingly enough I've not been to either Daegu or Jeju's World Cup Stadiums as they played elsewhere when I visited, I have probably been to about five or six K3 grounds with Bucheon, a couple of National League grounds and the last time I counted, and I left England in 2006, I'd been to over fifty English grounds with Pompey and a handful without them.

I still think fratton Park is the best stadium in the World.

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Re: The "48"

Postby njs » Tue Sep 28, 2010 1:51 pm

I forgot to add Dongdaemun Stadium to my list. Saw back to back Adidas Cup matches there in October 2000.

http://www.rsssf.com/tabless/skor00.html
"Adidas Cup Tournament [all matches in Dongdaemun]
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1st Round
[Oct 14]
1. Puchon 1 - 2 Ulsan (asdet)
[Lee Won-Sik 83; Kim Gi-Nam 45+, Son Jeong-Tak 93]
2. Chonbuk 1 - 2 Pusan
[Seo Hyeok-Su 71; Jeon U-Geun 30, Lee Gi-Bu 36]"


There was me and about 30 ajeoshi's watching. The atmosphere was electric.

That's one ground that some of you buggars will never see a game at :wink:
Anybody else been to bulldozed or abandoned grounds?
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Re: The "48"

Postby MipoFanatic » Tue Sep 28, 2010 2:50 pm

njs wrote:Anybody else been to bulldozed or abandoned grounds?

Yeah: Anyang. Image

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Re: The "48"

Postby sjc_three » Tue Sep 28, 2010 3:49 pm

MipoFanatic wrote:
njs wrote:Anybody else been to bulldozed or abandoned grounds?

Yeah: Anyang. Image

lol - ditto, stopped off on the way to watch the Ice Hockey. Even did a circuit of the running track with the local ajummas!

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Re: The "48"

Postby eujin » Tue Sep 28, 2010 6:19 pm

njs wrote:Anybody else been to bulldozed or abandoned grounds?

My list for that is probably quite long; Maine Road, Highbury, Ayresome Park, old Wembley, old Cardiff Arms Park, Ninian Park, the Manor, Delle Alpi....
Actually I'm wondering since I've been in New Zealand and Korea whether I haven't been to more stadiums that have been knocked down than are still standing. Maybe I shouldn't count the ones that were just demolished and then rebuilt.

In Korea I think the only one (they don't demolish stadiums that often do they?) was the pitch near my flat that was redeveloped for student flats. I did like Holyjoe and went round the market in Dongdaemun a couple of times. A surprising number of pornography market stalls in there if I remember rightly, something you don't often see at markets in the West. Old Tancheon, but it wasn't really demolished...

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Re: The "48"

Postby sjc_three » Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:21 pm

eujin wrote:
njs wrote:Anybody else been to bulldozed or abandoned grounds?

My list for that is probably quite long; Maine Road, Highbury, Ayresome Park, old Wembley, old Cardiff Arms Park, Ninian Park, the Manor, Delle Alpi....
The Stadio delle Alpi has been demolished? The scene of my greatest supporting heartbreak gone forever? I had no idea. And feel a bit sad about it to be honest.

mustoe02 wrote:I know I had this conversation with Euijin in person quite a while ago, but one thing that I've enjoyed about being a football fan in Korea is that it's made me think about and start to understand what sort of football fan I actually am. I do enjoy ground-hopping and have done quite a bit of it (especially when I was a bored teenager), and whilst I do go to fairly random games (from my supporting persective) a few times a season, though more for the football match than the stadium, I've discovered that I really only love (as opposed to like or enjoy) going to football to watch my team.

I understand this very well and regularly question my sanity on the matter. Generally, the only thing that will motivate me to do a weekend away somewhere new is because there's a game on.

The wife was beating her head against a wall only a couple of days ago, when I explained that our weekend in Namhae was reliant on Busan's progression in the first round of the National Sports Festival. We've just had two independent families we know from work who have been there for a weekend and both came back waxing lyrical about the place. But the reality is, if we're not playing, I'll almost certainly give it a miss. Can't even really explain it, as there will of course be other games on even if Busan aren't there. Stupid really as I'm sure it would be an awesome weekend, either way.

I'll do neutral games if I'm there anyway. I'll even make mild diversions to take in a game or stadium, but actually specially organising a trip nearly always involves my following my own team - and certainly I too only really love watching those games. The others are amusing, but it's a pale comparison.


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